The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Facing New York. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:23, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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There is no charting information, or otherwise significant coverage among several independent reliable sources. The band who recorded the album aren't even notable for a biography article.

WP:NALBUMS states "Notability aside, a standalone article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged into the artist's article or discography", and that is clearly the case here except there's no article this could be merged to since it isn't even by a notable band. N Ø 17:14, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as the album is independently notable with reviews in reliable sources such as Absolute Punk and the AV Club already referenced in the article which also suggests that the band is in fact notable and should have an article, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Absolute Punk link is dead and there appears to be no archive, so this review cannot be verified. Richard3120 (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, that leaves the AV Club as the only reliable source available, and its simply impossible to expand this article beyond a stub based on just one source without highly paraphrasing it.--N Ø 00:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - In addition to AV Club, here is one more review that I found: [1]. Regardless, I don't think those are enough when the notability of the band itself is suspect. Speedy Delete rule WP:A9 requires both an article for the band and indications that the album is notable, and while there is some minor evidence of notability for this album, the Speedy Delete rule's existence implies that in most cases there should be a band article first. Also the album article is nearly an orphan without a band article to connect it to, and Wikipedia tries to fix orphans too. (See also the article for the band's previous album, which has been PROD'ded.) I propose that any interested person create an article on the band and see if it survives the notability question. Until then, an album article is pointless. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:37, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The band's article was deleted in November 2017 due to lack of notability. Nothing has changed since then that would make them notable. I think these two album articles would have been deleted then too but they slipped under the admin's radar.--N Ø 19:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well said. I forgot to check for past attempts at a band article, and you are surely correct that they have not progressed in notability since that last try. Both albums should absolutely be deleted for this reason. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 12:27, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 22:40, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The article about the band's other album has been deleted. So now this article is an orphan with no articles linking to it. And it only cites one reliable source. We frankly don't even need a discussion about deleting this, the person who removed my PROD nomination of this article twice and is the only keep vote here is probably a member of or closely linked to the band.--N Ø 23:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep/merge~~. I don't think the band article should have been speedy deleted as an A7, as the tours were enough for some claim of significance, and a Google search finds enough coverage to make the band at least borderline notable. I'm not convinced there's enough coverage to justify an article on this album, but the band article should be revived, improved, and this should be merged there. --Michig (talk) 06:53, 23 October 2018 (UTC) Facing New York now exists, a redirect there seems appropriate. --Michig (talk) 14:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This vote assumes that someone cares enough to create a new and improved article for the band. When/if that happens, there would be a place to merge this album to. Until then, I don't think the album's few reviews are strong enough to overcome its current orphan-hood. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that the revived band article can stand on its own, we should simply redirect the album under discussion to there. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:14, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.