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The result was redirect to Black Cats (band). Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hazhar Saleh[edit]

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This BLP has been vigorously defended by its creator who has been removing tags and objecting to a redirect. After weeks of this the sourcing consists almost entirely of performance clips on YouTube. There’s an interview and the first reference appears to be valid, but there certainly isn’t enough here to support a BLP. I’d be happy with a redirect to his band as an outcome, otherwise there is no basis for keeping this. Mccapra (talk) 19:38, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 19:38, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 19:38, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, that's a deletion notice, so if you really do feel that the article is worth keeping, you should comment at the deletion discussion as to why you feel the article should be kept— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliasghar ghorbandokht (talk • contribs)

• Keep This article has solid references and has been edited many times by different Users and admins. I don't understand why this admin (Mccapra) is trying to delete the article while the artist is noticeable and famous! We are his fans, and we want to keep his page on Wikipedia. So please, instead of deleting the article, help us improve it and make it better. We are two young writers and of course we need your help to get better. But there is one thing that I really don't understand and that is when I'm explaining to you he is in Persian music market and if you do a quick research on Iran you'll learn there is no copyright law in Iran and that's the reason why the songs are not licensed! I'm very sure you know that and you are still searching on American music sources?! How does that work? Can you find any English songs in Iranian or middle eastern music sources? Please do a quick search on google then you'll see the most reliable source in Persian music market is Radio Javan.

Please have some respect for our artists.

Thank you. Brave.soul92 (talk) 10:14, 2 April 2021 (UTC) (the above contribution copied from the talk page on behalf of an inexperienced editor) Mccapra (talk) 10:39, 2 April 2021 (UTC) — Brave.soul92 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep As brave.soul9 mentioned, Hazhar Saleh is a Persian singer, and unfortunately, there is no copyright law in Iran. That’s why the most reliable source on the Persian music market is Radio Javan. Please do research, and you’ll see it’s true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliasghar ghorbandokht (talk • contribs) 11:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC) — Aliasghar ghorbandokht (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep The artist has been mentioned in native language news sources and TVs, which means he is notable, and he's been in the Kurdish music market ten years before he joined the black cats, that's why I think it's better to keep his article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.109.61.80 (talk) 11:07, 2 April 2021 (UTC) — 109.109.61.80 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Keep As you can see, Hazhar Saleh is a Persian singer, and unfortunately, there is no copyright law in Iran. That’s why the most reliable source on the Persian music market is Radio Javan. Please do research, and you’ll see it’s true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliasghar ghorbandokht (talk • contribs) 11:12, 2 April 2021 (UTC) duplicate vote struck. Primefac (talk) 11:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I know this artist since 2016 when He got invited to Bollywood.I'm Kurdish and I know for a fact he is an Amazing singer and songwriter. I think it's a good idea to not delete it but improve it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haz kurdson (talk • contribs) — Haz kurdson (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete I have found these 2 small articles at dailymusicroll and one interview at thriveglobal, both of which are on Wikipedia black list. Looking at all the refbombing in the article it's still a WP:GNG fail. There is no significant coverage, there are no reliable references. What concerns me is that all the major contributors that are voting here to keep the article, could not provide enough reliable sources - in Kurdish or any other language. Moreover I believe the last voter has COI as his 8 edits since the registration revolve around the subject and his band. Also the name Haz kurdson is quite declarative on its own. Less Unless (talk) 21:40, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As an old Wikipedia user, I do not understand why people want to delete this article.

Evidence is evident. And quite valid On the other hand, slander is definitely not part of Wikipedia's policy. Users who call goodwill fake should be careful what they say. In any case, the article has the conditions to remain and in my opinion it is fully qualified Struck off duplicate vote by Aliasghar ghorbandokht Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 06:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC) [reply]

• Keep He has many interviews on TV shows, and many times we've watched him on many Kurdish and Persian TV. He is a member of the black cats band, which is the oldest Persian music band. Let's keep the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsan.S.M (talk • contribs) 22:57, 2 April 2021 (UTC) — Ehsan.S.M (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Keep I feel so sorry for you genius Less Unless! First of all, I've already mentioned in my comment that I'm Kurdish and yes my name is also Hazhar, the question is how can you be so short-minded to think there is only one Hazhar in the whole Kurdistan! I think a person who thinks this way can't make any difference in the world. with all due respect. Haz kurdson (talk) 23:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC) Struck off duplicate vote Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 06:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC) [reply]
• Keep I know this artist, he is Black cats lead singer and has been really successful. I think it’s better to keep the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryamehrad (talk • contribs) 00:12, 3 April 2021 (UTC) — Aryamehrad (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Comment can those !voting ‘keep’ please share here three reliable independent sources that discuss the subject in depth? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 03:25, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think you will receive any bona fide replies... they seem to be recruited from somewhere. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 06:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC) [reply]

• Delete no notability yet. But wow, what an energy for the article. Impressive.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: No notability, basically everything that Less Unless said. QueerFilmNerd^talk 06:29, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Does not meet GNG. YouTube sources can, in some cases, be used to establish uncontroversial facts or to quote the subject, but they do not themselves establish notability. There appears to be no sustained and focused coverage of Saleh in any reliable source. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 06:53, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete sources do not demonstrate how the artist qualifies for an article nor is any obvious notability asserted. While Commons is separate, the picture is up for deletion there, which is usually a symptom of problems here. Fiddle Faddle 08:22, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to band on the simple basis that the band member has insifficient individual notabiity, so a redirect to the band is the correct thing to do per WP:BANDMEMBER. My apologies for not realising that before, and my thanks to doomsdayer520 for pointing it out. However, the redirection must be enforced. In view of the number of folk thinking this is a ballot may I suggest that the redirect be salted please? Fiddle Faddle 21:26, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per other editors' remarks. QuietHere (talk) 09:19, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Changing vote to Redirect per User:Doomsdayer520. QuietHere (talk) 18:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails the notability criteria. --Semsûrî (talk) 10:04, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete cant find any sources about this Singer. Shadow4dark (talk) 11:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not notable. Popcornfud (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not notable. And the sockpuppets are so cringy. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 20:11, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*keep very famous he show in BBC TV and Avang — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliasghar ghorbandokht (talk • contribs) 21:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC) striking duplicate vote Mccapra (talk) 22:17, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Black Cats (band) and Protect against reversion. See WP:BANDMEMBER: redirecting band members to the band is standard procedure if they have not achieved notability outside that band, and this singer has not. In fact, almost all of his activity is with the band except for some solo releases that nobody seems to have noticed. Meanwhile, the "keep" votes above are glaringly obvious puppetry, and the "delete" votes seem to be punishment in reaction to the puppetry. Redirecting is a typical solution, but make it stick if such moves have been reverted before. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 23:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I think DOOMSDAYER520 is right. Delete is not the solution, as WB:Speedy says, redirect Is a better choice than delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brave.soul92 (talk • contribs) 08:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the sourcing does not add up to showing that this musician meets our inclusion criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:51, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep its reference very good and true article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alone ghpo (talk • contribs) 11:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC) — Alone ghpo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I see only 1 ref. Shadow4dark (talk) 11:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*keep I think it would be better to help modify and add the source instead of deleting the article I believe that giving the article a chance can be a good solution.

And also very reliable sources have been added recently. Please remove Tag Thanks Admin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliasghar ghorbandokht (talk • contribs) 22:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

striking third attempted !vote by the same editor. Mccapra (talk) 22:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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