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The result was no consensus. After three re-lists, there is still no sign of any consensus here, and both directions being advocated by established editors with reasonable arguments. No prejudice to a future re-listing at AfD. (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 22:19, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Helpling[edit]

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Everything here is either promotional or a trivial notice about funding. Interviews where the founder says what they want to are not reliable sources for notability or for anything else, except for what they (or their pr advisor) thinks will be effective. advertising for their enterprise.

See adjacent AfD for the article on the founder. DGG ( talk ) 01:20, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 04:33, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 05:45, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:47, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given additional sources provided, it's possible a relist provides an opportunity for a keep consensus to emerge rather than the current no consensus. As such I believe this qualifies for a third relist per WP:RELIST.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:56, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not true that this is "A small wave of PR-generated media attention focussed in London five years ago, almost exclusively for the period February-June 2014." The five sources I provided at 04:50, 20 October 2019 (UTC) were published by newspapers and magazines based in Germany in 2015, 2015, 2018, 2018, and 2019, which is over a span of multiple years. These sources are about Helpling and provide negative coverage and critical analysis of Helpling. The peer-reviewed academic journal article Policy & Internet was published in 2019 and provides three paragraphs of coverage about Helpling. Cunard (talk) 19:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Five pieces in a period of four years cannot constitute significant coverage. In terms of the content, the German-language sources are either consumer-review, road tests of multiple cleaning service companies or about the unregulated, precarious nature of work in the gig economy. All but one (and that one, the Berliner Morgenpost is regurgitating material from the companý's press kit) refer to Helpling as one example among many - the articles cited only provide notability for issues related to the gig economy (ie web-based provision of unskilled labour, lack of tax, failure of labour market regulation etc), not Helpling per se. All of this is trivial coverage of Helpling. The Policy & Internet is one single, peer-reviewed 28 page article, which only discusses Helpling directly in three paragraphs (so about 1.5% of the entire article) - this alone cannot indicate ongoing notability. Helpling is used as a case amongst many - again reinforcing the point that the company is an example of a wider phenomenon, but not notable by itself.--Goldsztajn (talk) 09:29, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline says:

"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

All of the sources I provided "addres[s] the topic directly and in detail".

For two articles that are only about Helpling and contain no information about any other company, see this article from Deutschlandfunk Nova and this article from Berliner Morgenpost.

The Berliner Morgenpost article is not "regurgitating material from the companý's press kit". It includes quotes from an interview with the company's founder but it also has critical analysis of the company. It says "It remains to be asked why both [customers and cleaners] should not leave the app system behind after a successful test run, and make a payment in which eliminates the percentage of Helpling." It includes other critical analysis such as "For some, Franke [founder of Helpling" is a posterboy of the privileged neo-liberals, for others a mastermind who fights the black market and advocates more self-determination for solo self-employed in the low paid sector." The article further notes that the cleaning service is cheap but not everything goes to the cleaner who has several fees they must pay Helpling.

To say categorically that "Five pieces in a period of four years cannot constitute significant coverage" has no basis in the notability guideline.

Cunard (talk) 19:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If the topic was the gig economy, then yes, the majority of the pieces cited would lend support for notability. The extent of coverage over periods of time is a component in assessing notability, see WP:SUSTAINED: "New companies and future events might pass WP:GNG, but lack sufficient coverage to satisfy WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, and these must still also satisfy WP:NOTPROMOTION."--Goldsztajn (talk) 22:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
TThe WP:SUSTAINED guideline refers to "New companies and future events". Helpling was founded in 2012. It is no longer a "new company". Helpling received significant coverage in 2015, 2015, 2018, 2018, and 2019. This is between three and seven years after its founding. That Helpling is not a "new company" and that it received significant coverage over a span of five years means it passes WP:SUSTAINED.

Cunard (talk) 22:34, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following stands out: Helpling is a company that comes into existence in 2015 following the acquisition of other companies. The majority of material presented as WP:RS on the company are churnalism. There is no newspaper of record coverage of Helpling (although there is one item of its earlier incarnation). What material does not fall into those categories discusses Helpling with other companies in the context of the gig economy. There is nothing here to indicate why this company is actually notable.--Goldsztajn (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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