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The result was keep. Black Kite (talk) 01:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hoover (cyclecar)

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Non-notable automobile.Fails WP:N Edison (talk) 06:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:11, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - changed my !vote since Bushranger found a second reliable source. Haus^Talk 18:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC) Merge & Redirect to cyclecar, unless anyone can find some more WP:RS. I can only find one. The redirect should probably be Hoover Cyclecar. Haus^Talk 20:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - as an independent make and model of automotive conveyence, verifiable via a reliable source, it is notable. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Being a brand under which someone may have built a few cars does not convey inherent notability per any guideline I am familiar with. Can you cite a particular guideline that says it does, without there being multiple reliable and independent sources having substantial coverage of the car brand? Do reliable sources exist to create more than a permanent stub or directory listing? For instance, how many of the little "cyclecars" did Mr. Hoover make and sell? Any?Edison (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- We're not talking about the brand name; we're talking about a make and model. The applicable guideline is WP:COMMONSENSE. A Chevy Camaro is notable as a Camaro; an Opel Insignia, as an Insignia, because they are independent models of automobile. The number sold does not matter - we have a reliable source that verifies that this marque constructed this model of automobile. It's the same principle as applied to aircraft through long-standing consensus; each independent type that can be verified as being independent is notable. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Verifiable makes and models of motor vehicle are generally held (and should be held) to be notable, however obscure. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 05:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ It is unclear whether the coverage in the source is "significant" (in WP:GNG sense), but even if it is - WP:GNG requires "reliable sources" (in plural), so single source is clearly not enough. Ipsign (talk) 09:53, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that reference by Bushranger below (in "Automotive Industries" 1913) stands, I think that article does have a chance. Ipsign (talk) 10:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Second source: [1] - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the book itself? What can be seen on the excerpt, is so obscure that it not enough to say if it is related to the same thing. Source doesn't need to be online, but somebody needs to take a look at it to claim it is WP:V. Ipsign (talk) 10:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Both references refer to H.H. Hoover's cyclecar being manufactured in St. Louis and date to October 1913, so it's pretty clear they're referring to the same vehicle. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 11:00, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per new sources applied. BusterD (talk) 19:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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