The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to List of Animorphs books. However, because of how this was listed initially (speaking technically, no fault to anyone involved in the nom), the script cannot do it. As a redirect is fundamentally an editorial action, it can be performed by any interested editor citing this AfD as the consensus to do so. There is no need to delete the text as no policy reason has emerged to do so. Star Mississippi 17:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Individual articles in the Animorphs series[edit]

List of Animorphs books (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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In articles about a specific Animorphs book (i.e. The Mutation (novel)), the article's text only consist of author info, the plot and in-universe info. I have tried to find independent mentions about the books in reliable sources, not the series, to no avail. This means that most articles does not meet WP:BKCRIT for not having individual sources, and because notability is not conferred from the Animorphs article, they should be deleted and redirected according to WP:BKMERGE.

Tl;dr: books linked by List of Animorphs books should be deleted and redirected towards the list itself. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 04:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be more specific:

• The Invasion
• The Visitor
• The Encounter
• The Message
• The Predator
• The Capture
• The Stranger
• The Alien
• The Secret
• The Android
• The Forgotten
• The Reaction
• The Change
• The Unknown
• The Escape
• The Warning
• The Underground
• The Decision
• The Departure
• The Discovery
• The Threat
• The Solution
• The Pretender
• The Suspicion
• The Attack
• The Exposed
• The Experiment
• The Sickness
• The Reunion
• The Conspiracy
• The Separation
• The Illusion
• The Prophecy
• The Proposal
• The Mutation
• The Weakness
• The Hidden
• The Other
• The Familiar
• The Journey
• The Test
• The Unexpected
• The Revelation
• The Resistance
• The Return
• The Diversion
• The Ultimate
• The Sacrifice
• The Answer
• The Beginning
• The Andalite's Gift
• In the Time of Dinosaurs
• Back to Before
• The Andalite Chronicles
• The Hork-Bajir Chronicles
• Visser (novel)
• The Ellimist Chronicles

Other related AfDs:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Category:Animorphs books (speedy kept, wrong procedure)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Invasion (Animorphs) (kept)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Invasion (Animorphs) (2nd nomination) (kept)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Visitor (Applegate novel) (still running as of nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Extreme (novel) (redirected)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Absolute (novel) (redirected)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Deception (Animorphs) (redirected)

- CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 04:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I don't want to delete these article presumptively. People are free to find independent sources that challenge my proposed AfDs. There is also a great encyclopedic value in the plot and there should also be a way to add a short plot description in List of Animorphs books similar to articles about TV series (List_of_The_Expanse_episodes). CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 04:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy and Literature. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 09:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• delete or redirect all to the main list. I've nominated several books from the series for deletion before, and there were no reviews of any to show notability. WP is not for plots of obscure books, there are multiple fan wikis that do exactly that.

Artem.G (talk) 09:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect all without deletion. There is no policy-based reason why NN text should be deleted, when it could potentially form the basis of a compliant article in the future. Likewise, this would allow merging current text into a series article with capsule summaries of each book, while WP:CWW would prohibit reusing the text if it were deleted outright. Jclemens (talk) 21:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect all without deletion, per above. However I am quite surprised that there were no reviews for the first book? Really? PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:39, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect all, retaining the categories (eg Category:Animorphs books,Category:1999 science fiction novels, Category:1999 American novels, Category:Novels about diseases and disorders) and DEFAULTSORTS on the redirects, and the disambiguation page entries. But Improve the sourcing on the target list page - it's sourced to Goodreads only, and there's no indication where the names of the ghost writers have been sourced from. Eg The Sickness (novel): " It is known to have been ghostwritten by Melinda Metz.", but her name is not mentioned either in the article's source (this article, for one, has a source) or in the Goodreads description, linked from the general Goodreads record for the series which is the only source given in List of Animorphs books. So the whole "Ghostwriter" column of the table in the list amounts to unsourced BLP info and needs sourcing or removal. Pinging @OGoncho:, who created the list of titles in Dec 2004 but is still an active editor. PamD 11:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect all to List of Animorphs books without deletion, except The Invasion (novel), The Visitor (Applegate novel), The Encounter (novel), The Message (novel), The Predator (novel), and The Capture (novel), which are or soon will be adapted into graphic novels which imply at least some notability. The Beginning (novel) also might be worth keeping because of its controversial ending which may or may not be mentioned in reliable sources. I would love to see the rest of the articles stay but the sources simply aren't there; not enough has been said on a book-by-book basis by reliable sources. And besides, most of the articles are flagged with decade-old maintenance tags that editors are unable or unwilling to address. I would like to see short plot descriptions added to List of Animorphs books using the summaries from the existing pages, though. 〜 Askarion ✉ 15:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I wish that there are RS to keep these articles! But unfortunately, all Wikipedia articles sooner or later will need reliable sources, and at some point we have to decide that the content is not worth keeping. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I'm almost ready to procedurally close this nomination. This is not how you present a bundled nomination. You have only tagged one article and this AFD can not be extended to articles that have just been mentioned in the comments. Each article you are concerned about has to be tagged for a week, the content creator informed of the AFD and all articles listed in your nomination statement. It's interesting that you included other related AFDs but how this one closes doesn't affect them. And you can't include a template in an AFD nomination, it has to be nominated separately at WP:TFD. Please read over the instructions at WP:AFD for how to format a bundled nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz, I think I've done it properly now, I guess? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 19:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, CactiStaccingCrane, this discussion has gone on for a week, you can't add articles to the nomination at this point. I think you should close this and start it over. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 09:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this just pedantic though? I think that everybody here know what articles I'm talking about. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 11:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Redirect All per the above. All fail WP:GNG or WP:BKCRIT. These articles are in-universe fanfluff created around 2006, when Wikipedia was a very different place and standards for inclusion were often non-existent. Fans created what they wanted and then left, which is why so many of these articles have maintenance tags over a decade old. Back to Before even has a maintenance tag asking for citations that is nearly 20 years old. I can stomach a simple redirection to List of Animorphs books, but believe that is a mistake. This generally unsourced and abandoned material belongs on a fan wiki, not kept in the vain hope that the fans will come back to use them to spruce up the main list. Newshunter12 (talk) 21:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.