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The result was No consensus. Walton^talk 16:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Insect fighting

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I am not sure that this is a proper topic for a WP article. There does seem to be a tradition of Cricket fighting in East Asia (which has its own article) and there are also staged insect fights on YouTube, etc. I'm not sure you can put the two things together, plus some pop culture references, and create the general topic of "insect fighting". Steve Dufour 16:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

commentary I wrote, and am still the primary contributor to the Cricket fighting article. This insect fighting article is problematic. The only reference actually refers to cricket fights. The rest of it is entirely un-referenced. And whereas cricket fights were organized into leagues and tournaments with professional bookmakers setting the odds, other kinds of insect fighting is generally amateur stuff. I think the subject matter is legitimate even if this article currently is not so great. A possible solution might be to re-direct it to cricket fighting and create a stub section heading. Once there is a paragraph of referenced material it could be moved back over the re-direct. SchmuckyTheCat
Comment. Seems like a potentially encyclopedic topic, but needs more sources for sure.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 19:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It needs some cleanup and a few more sources, but I think it's notable enough to have an article. It definitely exists as far as beetles, because I remember it being mentioned briefly in a Nature documentary back when they did a series entirely about insects (Alien Empire, I believe it was called). Aparently certain species of large beetle fight as a kind of mating ritual, and there are people who gamble on it...If I can go back and find the specific documentary (and that's a pretty big if) would we be able to use it as a source? Calgary 19:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yes. SchmuckyTheCat

Delete as unsourced. I did a cursory seach and couldn't come up with much, and I'm not sure there is any out there. If a source can be found to the contrary, then I could change my mind. Arkyan  ^(talk) 20:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, add sources. After all, people have been chucking bugs in glass jars and shaking them for centuries. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 05:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure that is true. Lots of people ride bicycles without wearing shirts too, but there is not a WP article about that. Steve Dufour 06:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect to cricket fighting per Arkyan - I can't see this as being verifiable. Cricket fighting, on the other hand, seems to be verifiable.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 09:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment But I fail to see the logic in directing an article to another with a narrower scope.--Huaiwei 16:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The topic "Insect fighting" might be too big for a WP article. Should it also include insects fighting each other in nature? I'm sure that happens. Steve Dufour 15:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All the more that the above suggestion would appear odd. The larger potential of scope the general article has, the more it seems absurd that it is being directed to just one aspect of it.--Huaiwei 17:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I am trying to say is the topic "insect fighting" is too large and vague for a WP article. I don't think there is an article on "animal fighting". Steve Dufour 19:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, but looking at the current state of the article, I doubt the article will explode in size anytime soon, so your concerns may be unfounded. I don't think we have a policy of not writing an article on insects in general just because it may become "too large". As for "vagueness", I do believe we can set parameters right with a good introduction, and not allow it to spill over to include spontaneous fights between insects in the wild.--Huaiwei 14:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The list of choices said "sports and games" so I thought that was the right place for it. Steve Dufour 15:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I share the same feeling that has been stated here, the subject seems worthy of a topic, but I honestly haven't stumbled on any decent sources for insect fighting. I think that it should be stubbed and completely rewritten. That of course is a content/editorial decision that doesn't have much place here, but that's how I feel about it. The other tempting decision is to merge cricket fighting and other like articles (if there are any) to insect fighting, as insect fighting is a broader scope topic. daveh4h 17:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Butterfree, I choose you!--Perceive 02:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment haha, but I don't think we're including Pokemon here.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 09:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It does need references, though. Kwertii 04:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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