The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jayjg ^(talk) 01:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Jin Solstein (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)

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Contested PROD. Subejct is an eleven year old actor, whose first major role is a movie that has not come out. Fails WP:ENTERTAINER. Singularity42 (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Tentative delete. On one hand, these films (there is a planned trilogy) will certainly be notable, and according to The Last Airbender the first one has already finished filming; also, there is a local newspaper piece about him. On the other hand, his alleged role in The Last Airbender is sourced to a fansite, and IMDb does not list him in the full cast and crew of the picture, nor does it attribute any credits to him. He may well be notable soon, but I would like to see a reliable source for his casting, and hopefully something to indicate how important his character is going to be in these movies.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no notable now if this kid become notable later deal with then Weaponbb7 (talk) 03:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: Though I didn't have anything to do with the creation of this page, as Isaac's father and manager (Eric Solstein), as well as a relative newbie to Wikipedia editing, I can offer some information here, while I correct small errors and add several potentially important additions to the page.

• Note: Isaac's role in "The Last Airbender" is confirmed on his IMDB Resume [1] Though I cannot provide a supporting link, Paramount unit publicist, Claire Raskind cited Isaac as #18 in the cast credits, a "featured" role, considered rather high up in a film of this scale. The resume also indicates his most recent theater role as Robby in the American Repertory Theater's "Red Sox Nation," directed by Diane Paulus (director of the Tony award winning revival of "Hair"). This is a major theater piece by one of America's leading directors and acting companies. It should also be noted, Isaac has been acting in regional theater for six years.

• Note: Isaac is also a martial arts prodigy, having earned two successive National Championships in Soo Bahk Do. This is the highest level of competition for this amateur sport. Despite competing with older, larger martial artists, (being obliged to compete up in class because of his height), he earned first places in both form and sparring in the 11-13 yr. black belt division, though only ten years old at the time. Additionally, he is the first and only person under 18 to be accepted for special training with Masters (fourth degree black belts and above) at the Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Headquarters. I will incorporate externally verifiable parts of this into his page. Though his acting and martial arts may be considered separately, his prodigious karate skills had, and continue to have significant impact on his acting career, and this synergy may be helpful when considering notability. It may also be notable that a search for "Isaac Jin Solstein" on Google currently yields 29,100 links to both his acting and martial arts activities.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Erisol (talk • contribs) 02:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Fulfills basic criteria of notability, with four published, independent, reliable secondary sources included as reference to article. Fulfills criteria for athlete, with two championships while competing at the highest level - US National competition - of the amateur sport of Soo Bahk Do. Fulfills notability as actor when considering six years of stage work in professional theater holding significant juvenile roles, and present high profile projects in both theater and film, under directors considered to be significant: Diane Paulus & M. Night Shyamalan. --Eric Solstein (talk) 19:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep My gut feeling is to keep. The two articles cited prove marginal notability, which is almost certain to increase with film's July release. I prefer to err on the side of notability on this one. Evalpor (talk) 21:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: as the nominator, per a discussion on my talk page I would support incubation or userfication of the article until his notability in light of WP:ENT becomes more apparent in reliable sources. As I said there, "I guess I just find it too early for this article; there's too much we just don't know. Or, rather, you might know it, but we, the rest of the general world, don't yet. The deciding issue for me is that it took Isaac's father, not an unrelated fan, to create his article here. Wikipedia:Autobiography#Creating an article about yourself covers this (writing about your minor son is not technically an autobiography, but the principle stands): 'If your life and achievements are verifiable and genuinely notable, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later.'"  Glenfarclas  (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: My apologies, Mr. Solstein didn't create it article—it sounds like it really was "an unrelated fan." Sorry for the mistake in memory. I do think incubation is probably the best route here.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not yet notable and no assurance of becoming notable in the future. The role of "Earthbending boy" does not seem like a major character, and despite the fans' conjectures, there's no reason to believe this character will be more prominent in future movies (which may never get made) and even if it is, they could always get someone else to play the role (á la Kitty Pryde in the X-men series) . Plus, four minor roles in community theater hardly constitute a filmography. I'm tempted to say speedy delete. I've been seeing a lot of "airbender" related shenanigans lately, from non-notable articles (Racebending) to near-takeovers of established articles (Yellowface), and so this article certainly smells fishy AshcroftIleum (talk) 21:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Incubate The article "filmography" erringly includes projects best clased as "Theater". And while his notability is growing for Last Airbender, there does seem to be available coverage for of his stage work. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - at this point, fails WP:V and WP:ENTERTAINER. "Keep" arguments are of the WP:UPANDCOMING variety. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Non-notable actor at this point. His most notable possible role is a film that hasn't been released. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.