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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jaroslav Volf (speedway rider)

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to sports results. Searching the internet for "Jaroslav Volf" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech (talk) 05:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle AND reached the final of the Speedway individual world championship. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Motorsport, and Czech Republic. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Unimpressed by the sources available. Routine recaps of events in local papers are not significant coverage of the individual. There is no attempt to claim significance in the article. Wikipedia is not a database (WP:NOTDATABASE). 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. The non speedway sources do not appear in depth. LibStar (talk) 12:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails GNG and in particular SPORTCRIT. Accomplishments carry zero weight so !votes to keep based on appearing in a championship should be discounted. JoelleJay (talk) 02:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't meet WP:NSPORT. There isn't enough significant coverage from reliable sources to justify a standalone article. Yakov-kobi (talk) 11:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I can't express the importance of being a participant in the speedway world final and world cup final. I have since asked for motorsports notability to cover speedway which I do not think it does at present and therefore does not help give editors an understanding of the sport's main competitions. Pyeongchang (talk) 11:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The importance of participating in these events is completely irrelevant when the actual notability criterion the subject must meet is GNG. The sport-specific guidelines function to guide editors toward choosing to write on athletes who are likely to have SIGCOV, but that SIGCOV still must be found and cited in the article before it is published. JoelleJay (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this criteria but unfortunately, the motorsport Wikiproject is far too biased towards circuit racing. Look at their annual "list of motorsport champions", too biased toward car racing. Motorcycle racing gets squeezed into a single box like it has no importance. 2nd or lower tier formula racing, not a problem despite they mostly take place, watched by almost nobody.

Lest not forget, if this bio gets deleted, I'll hold one of my recent AfD nomination (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round) as an example of Wikipedia's flawed notability guidelines for that "strong and well-presented arguments" deletion rationale vs number of keep votes, Wikipedia chose vote numbers. I'll point this out in each future nomination as much as I can. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has anyone looked at the article? This source is over 3,000 words on him from over 50 years after his career? How is that not SIGCOV? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a primary source. LibStar (talk) 00:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In what way? Its a journalist 50 years after Volf's career writing 3,000 words about his career? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's irrelevant how many years after his career. "www.speedwaya-z.cz" webname looks suspiciously primary. LibStar (talk) 00:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's one dude's WordPress blog... 5225_C (talk • contributions) 00:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But think of this: how would some random "one dude" be able to write a 3,000+ word feature story on this guy's life if there weren't significant coverage of him? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It could be 10,000 words, it's still a primary source. LibStar (talk) 00:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't address my point. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't convinced me or 5225 that it's a reliable source. LibStar (talk) 00:54, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The point is, for some 'random wordpress dude' to be able to write a 3,000 word feature story about someone from 50 years prior in the offline era, there is almost assuredly coverage in the first place for one to have the capacity to write something like that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reckon I could write 3000 words on a non-notable athlete pretty easily. Archival tapes, event reports, and free time all exist. That a fan of speedway is able to write a lot about speedway doesn't mean he's using sources that would be acceptable on Wikipedia. Not equivalent. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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