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The result was keep. per the sources found by Cunard, and the arguments for delete being based primarily on the lack of sources. I don't understand the argument for redirecting to another article (at least in terms of policy) that has a longer bio of him embedded in it. Surely the correct action, if the bio is to be kept at all, is to transfer it to the person's own article and use summary style in the other article. SpinningSpark 13:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jeung Lai Chuen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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No evidence of meeting WP:BIO or WP:GNG, but as sources would be in Chinese, I may have missed something Boleyn (talk) 20:39, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect Notablilty not established by references but a redirect is plausible - looks like that was done previously.Peter Rehse (talk) 22:20, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• redirect to Bak Mei which has a longer, sourced bio of him (his name there's romanised as Zhang Liquan). Only a single source for that entire article but that should be addressed there.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 22:56, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This BLP has no sources and a redirect doesn't make sense because the Bak Mei article looks like a prime candidate for deletion since it has no independent sources.Jakejr (talk) 07:02, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• The subject was born in 1882 and died in 1964. This is not a BLP. Cunard (talk) 06:04, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Here are two sources about the subject:
  1. Martineau, Jr., Danny (2013). The Waterfront. Xlibris Corporation. p. 102. ISBN 978-1493147649. Retrieved 2015-01-01.

     The book notes:

     ...and a rare book called Pak Mei Kung Fu: White Eyebrow by H. B. Un. I purchased the book on sale for fewer than fifty dollars; it now sells for over eighty bucks online! Therein lies the story of Great Grand Master Cheung Lai Chuen, who in his youth was defeated in friendly combat by a Buddhist monk named Lin Sang. When Lin Sang would no teach him kung fu, Cheun Lai sought out Lin Sang's teacher Joke Fat Wan. After much persistency, Joke Fat taught Cheung Lai Pak Mei kung fu.

     Joke Fat was a third-generation sifu and student of Gwong Wei, who was the sole student of Pak Mei, himself founder of the art. Pak Mei was one of the five legendary survivors of the Southern Shaolin Temple that had been destroyed. The book goes on to tell how Cheung Lai Chuen rose to become the Great Grand Master and once defended himself against a town of fifty men. After speaking of much form and technique, H. B. Un concludes the book with a piece of wisdom: fighting is dangerous and should be avoided!

     This source indicates that the subject has received significant coverage in the book Pak Mei Kung Fu: White Eyebrow.
  2. The subject is also mentioned here.
  It is highly likely that the subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  It would be Wikipedia:Systemic bias to delete this article about a notable Chinese martial artist when there is likely significant coverage about the subject in offline non-English sources, which are permitted per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Citing non-English sources.

  Cunard (talk) 06:04, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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