The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Kilo-Lima|^(talk) 18:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Laurentian University Model Parliament[edit]

See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LUPSA Presidents, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Roche, Sudbury, which may constitute a walled garden.

Delete as vanity/advertisement/non-notable, plus does not have any content not implied by 'Laurentian University' and 'Model parliament' separately. Author has twice removed nomination for speedy delete Peter Grey 05:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I vote no, as I do all university organizations that are not national. T K E 06:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep T K E 07:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep; this is a useful article. It would be a shame to lose it. Plus, from my understanding, Laurentian University is a national university organisation. So I am unsure of the credibility in the criticism from TKE. kroche14

Comment. I meant a national organization. But I am changing to Keep, becaue upon rereading the article, they are much more notable than most other college clubs. So Wikipedia is not paper. Kroche14, I meant no bad faith by the vote. T K

E 07:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment'.. Which 'nation' are you refering to? This is the global English Wikipedia, NOT the U.S.A. Wikipedia. Reading the article, I see nothing of note about this organisation, but then I don't personally feel that's justification to delete an article. Storage is cheap. Markb 09:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I'm aware this isn't just the USA show, I even make a keep vote once of "Australians are Wikipedians Too." By national, I meant widespread across whatever the parent country is. There are several articles created everyday on individual university clubs. I admit I skimmed the article quickly, but I corrected myself. T K E 16:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The notability of Laurentan University is not up for debate, only a once-a-year bit of theatrics that only concerns members of one club at one university. Peter Grey 16:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to the political association below. This will add notability to an otherwise generic entry. Marskell 08:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question: What do you mean when you say "university organization"? I had understood that Laurentian was a university and that the overwhelming majority of its students came from northern Ontario, making it a regional university, not a national one. HistoryBA 12:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: When I said national, I didn't not mean the university. I meant the particular club. T K E 16:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge as above Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) 15:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• *Response to... "Question: I had understood that Laurentian was a university and that the overwhelming majority of its students came from northern Ontario, making it a regional university, not a national one." There are many students currently studying at Laurentian from Northern and Southern Ontario, as well as Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and many international students from France, (Laurentian is bilingual after-all), China, Viet-Nam, and Japan. kroche14

It's just like any other university, its open to anyone. Mike _{(T C)} 17:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep. This appears to be notable enought to be considered simply more than an ordinary campus club. It's fairly significant that this organization is permitted use of the House of Commons. That's not just a hall that anyone can rent out. It's obviously a significant enough organization for the Speaker to decide to grant permission for its use. (By the way, while not expressly stated in the article, it's obvious from reading that it refers to an organization in Canada). Fluit 17:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Follow Up: I decided to actually follow the advice of the AfD textbox in order to help this article along. I've undertaken what is mainly a major copy-edit, and (hopefully) removed anything that's not NPOV. I now leave it up to the powers that be. Fluit 01:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete. This article along with numerous others by user:kroche14 are about non-notable university minutia. Tomb Ride ^{My Talk} 15:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. So this university club gets to use the House of Commons hall (during a time when it's otherwise empty, by the bye) for their make-pretend game once a year. Big deal, there are high school moot legislatures in every state in the United States, and no doubt in Canadian provinces as well, that do the same thing, get the use of the legislative halls for a day or two, have photo ops with smiling politicians, and aren't restricted to a couple schools yet. If this model parliament was thrown open to every university in Canada, or even every one in Ontario, it might be notable ... but that's not the case, is it? RGTraynor 16:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Use of the national legislative chambers seems a bit of a step up from state and provincial halls. I suspect that we would have an article about any youth use of the United States Capitol (which seems like a pretty strange name - I wonder why it is not formally called the "United States Capitol Building" or something like that?) j-beda 15:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete -- JamesTeterenko 19:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep...this entery is notable. if it was Queens Universiyt who did this no one would question the credablity beacuse queens is higher in the Mcleans rankings, but lu isnt but we have a good poli sci program. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cw wilson (talk • contribs)

• Comment. No one is questioning the standing of your university, just the notability of a club from it. Tomb Ride ^{My Talk} 02:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment And trust me, few of the editors voting here give a whit about university rankings or rivalries. TeKE 02:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: quite. Strike Laurentian and substitute Harvard and I can't imagine what would change about any voting here. RGTraynor 08:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I'm sure if Harvard had a model "congress" that used the Capitol in Washington D.C., it would certainly be notable. Fluit 00:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per WP:NN. rehpotsirhc 21:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Does not assert notability. Vegaswikian 05:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 00:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete This has nothing to do with the reputation of Laurentian, it has everything to do with the fact that Wiki precedent has it that individual student organizations, besides the Student Union on each campus, is not noteable enough, in and of itself, for an article. pm_shef 04:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• strong keep The Laurentian University Model Parliament is notable. First of all it is one of two universities which are granted permission to use the House of Commons. Second, it is ran by Rand Dyck, one of Canada's most notable Political Scientists, his publications include Canadian Politics Critical Approches, a text book which is used by almost every university coast to coast, and since he is running this event as an intevative way in order to have university students understand politics and their government, why would this not be notable enought to deserve an article. Thirdly, it is a serious acidemic excerise done by university students, if this was done at harvard there by a promant professor at Harvard in the US Capitol there would not be this dabate for inclusion. Finally, it is one of the few events where Laurentian Students at Sudbury are mixed at Laurentian Students at Barrie, this is notable beacuse of the inclusion of the different campuses which usually have nothing to do with each other. I strongly hope that this article is kept, it needs some serious editing, maybe merging the section concerning the SGA at the LU with this as a subsection editied, but i think it is notable enought to be kept.
• Delete per WP:NN and Wiki precedent. Wstaffor 22:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - this material belongs on the group's own website, not Wikipedia. Stifle (talk) 23:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Smerge into Laurentian University if you must. Stifle (talk) 23:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.