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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of hills[edit]

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This article has had no WP:Inclusion criteria since its creation in 2005; and I cannot think of any possible way of writing any. It is a grab-bag of geographical features sometimes but not always (e.g. Calvary) called hills. How much height or prominence must a geographical feature have to be called a hill? This article's scope is broad enough to include Beacon Hill, Norfolk (the highest point in the county, a full 79 m (259 ft) above sea level ("Very flat, Norfolk.")) and the Gog Magog Hills, Cambridgeshire (74 m (243 ft)).

We have several encyclopaedic "list of hill" articles, more or less tightly defined by location and by what constitutes a hill; such as List of hills of Brandenburg, List of hills in England, and List of hills in San Francisco. We could probably do with more of those.

I can see no kind of objection to a WP:LISTOFLISTS titled List of lists of hills - but it doesn't exist, and this article is not it.

This article fails WP:LISTN, rather badly.

Off-topic, because Hill is also a surname, and for light relief only. In the 1980s, a friend got a flyer from one of those companies who peddle surname books, culled from phone directories or whatever, offering him a volume titled something like Famous People Called Marsh. He replied that he would eagerly buy it if it included details of his long-lost cousins Hackney and Romney. They never did get back to him. Narky Blert (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Wouldn't hill demonstrate satisfaction of LISTN? At any rate, this would be a navigational list to only include notable entries. We have a well-developed category structure at Category:Hills, what inclusion criteria is that using? And if the solution is to make it a list of lists, that’s development, not deletion. postdlf (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:ATD and WP:NOTCLEANUP. Expansion, restructuring, &c. are not done by deletion. The topic clearly passes WP:LISTN and the rest is a matter of ordinary editing per WP:IMPERFECT, WP:NEXIST, &c. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment by nom. Please define "hill". Narky Blert (talk) 19:38, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  I of course agree that AFD is NOTCLEANUP. I encourage you to go through the 20,000+ articles which appear in ((intitle:hill)), and to add the relevant ones to the article under discussion. Successful WP:RESCUEs are to be applauded. Narky Blert (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This is a navigation list, listing related items and linking to their articles. Columns would allow more information to be shown, location, height, etc, but whatever. AFD is not cleanup. Dream Focus 20:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Category:Hills shows there are a lot of articles for hills, including some on other planets. So listing all the list of hills in this article, plus any hill not on one of those list, I think could work well. Dream Focus 02:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Far too indiscriminate for a list article. Ajf773 (talk) 01:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Hill is an inherently poorly defined term, and content is just a small but indiscriminate selection of those with hill in the name. Category:Hills has thousands of items in its subcategories, and it would be inappropriate to attempt to put all these pages in a single list that would also be indiscriminate in what may use this term (vs. e.g. mountain or butte) and have an article. The best comparison is Lists of mountains: a List of mountains would be likewise impossible! Reywas92^Talk 20:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete far too broad a topic; Lists of hills would be needed. The article is necessarily arbitrary in its current form. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per WP:TNT. A new article can be created as a index of other lists if possible. Azuredivay (talk) 05:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to Lists of hills, an article which no-one seems to object to, and tag for cleanup. We're far from TNT. --Paul Carpenter (talk) 14:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Far too broad and indiscriminate topic. Criteria is not defined. It is so broad and indiscriminate it includes a range from Seven hills of Rome to Signal Hill, California.   // Timothy :: talk  16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This is one of those places where a category works great, but an accompanying list is almost impossible to create, manage, and define. Hog Farm _Bacon 20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete A PetScan query found 13452 distinct pages in the Category:Hills tree, excluding subcategories. WP:TNT and make a Lists of hills. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom without objection to creation of a list of lists. no reason to save this history, though, as there's nothing here that would be used in a list of lists. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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