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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:36, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of routes in Jefferson County, West Virginia[edit]

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Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY#simplelists. This is looking at a map and listing off every numbered highway that exists within the county. The same organization can be handled better as a category. –Fredddie ™ 03:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and West Virginia. –Fredddie ™ 03:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom and per making my eyes hurt with those stupid colors in the table. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the "List of routes in..." lists per nom. These should be handled in categories, not lists.

The "List of county routes in..." lists need to be discussed separately as they are state-owned roads per page 58 of [1]. If they're analogous to secondary highways in other states, then table-based lists of them may be appropriate, but that's a different discussion to the idea of listing all state routes in a county in a list vs. a category. Imzadi 1979 → 04:45, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I'd rather have one decent article about the county route system than potentially have 55 lists dividing up 30,000+ miles of roadway. –Fredddie ™ 05:57, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at West Virginia State Highway System, it appears that there are trunk secondary highway and spur secondary highway classifications, the latter of which has the fractional numbers. The trunks may warrant some coverage, while the spurs warrant none, or only coverage in notes like "CR 1 has spurs 1/1 through 1/15" for an entry on CR 1 in Berkeley County. This should be discussed separately because the details are different than the other two lists, which should just be deleted. At the end of the day, there may be a way to merge these county route lists into a single list, but warrants discussion outside of this nomination. Imzadi 1979 → 06:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per rationales above. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 05:45, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fredddie, could you post an AFD notification on the talk page of the editors who created these pages? It would be appreciated, I'm sure. They should know about this discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh sorry! Doing now. –Fredddie ™ 20:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. Sounder Bruce 07:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the two “list of routes” lists as categories better handle the need for highways in a county. However, I an Neutral on deleting the “list of county routes” lists. I am not sure about deleting lists of county highways as they would not be covered in a category. I feel we need to have a discussion elsewhere about whether we should have coverage of county highways in a list by county or just an overview article about the county route system in a state. It appears in some states such as West Virginia having a list of county highways can be excessive and listing almost every road in that county. Dough4872 12:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the List of routes in pages as better handled by a category. As far as the county routes pages, I lean towards merging into List of county routes in West Virginia and dropping the spurs. County routes are generally notable enough to be included in a list, however I am concerned that we will never be able to say more about each fractional route than what is on a map (and certainly we would get more results for searching for Turner Avenue than CR 1/17). I will note that I did find a reliable map from DOT [2], however doing a cursory Google Map search it seems that all except the most residential roads are numbered [3]. We don't have articles on most Forest Roads or even list them. --Rs chen 7754 17:10, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all, I contributed some to these articles and I am Neutral about however you all decide. A lot of my original contribution happened when I was volunteering with the Morgan County Commission as a high school student, at the time there was no digital GIS system for the county and the only road data available online was decades out-of-date. Every county in West Virginia had this problem so I contributed for some surrounding counties as well. Many of my original edits were ridiculously excessive and were undone long ago, because at that time I didn't have a sense for what was notable enough to be included on a public encyclopedia like this. Anyway, if it would help the discussion, I have some more info to share. In West Virginia, every publicly-maintained road has a number and the Department of Transportation uses the numbers instead of names to identify the roads (Virginia does this too but their system is very different). Before the state's post-9/11 emergency addressing reforms, mailing addresses were mostly USPS-specific Rural Route addresses and road names were not very standardized, so the route numbers were more organizationally expedient for the state government. Now, the names are determined on the county level, while the numbers are still on the state level. The single-number county routes are theoretically medium-level trunk roads, the fractional numbers are theoretically minor public roads, and the 900 roads are part of the Home Access Road Program (HARP) by which the state has maintenance authority over neighborhood cul-de-sacs. Yes, this numbering system really goes down to the level of neighborhood streets. While including only the main, single-number county routes on Wikipedia seems to make sense, I say "theoretically" above because this system has been around in some form since circa 1920s and changes to the roads over time has diminished the significance of these categories. There are now single-number roads that are unpaved dead-ends and fractional roads that are multi-lane "stroads" through urbanized areas. So, I think it would make sense not to include the HARP (900s) roads on Wikipedia, but I see the single-number and fractional county routes as inseparable for understanding a county's road system. If you're going to pick and choose beyond simply removing HARP roads, I say it would be better to only include roads with some particular significance (such as being part of a historic turnpike for example) rather than include a whole category that is less significant as a whole than it seems at face value. MrGPS (talk) 18:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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