The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maliar[edit]

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Note: This article was originally listed on AFD as a contested prod on March 25 2009.

This article was listed on AFD approximately 13 years ago, but the nomination lacked rational beyond stating that a proposed deletion was contested.

This article is being re-listed today as the subject does not appear to meet relevant notability guidelines, and lacks non-trivial coverage from reliable publications. Steps were taken to locate said sources WP:BEFORE this nomination, but were not successful. Please do not hesitate to contact me should sources be located during the course of this discussion. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 21:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups and Pakistan. Shellwood (talk) 13:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: While this discussion appears to have no quorum, it is NOT eligible for soft deletion because it was previously discussed at AfD and the result was keep.

Previous discussions: 2009-03 (closed as ✓ keep)

--Cewbot (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Seems notable? Wondering if you discounted these sources for some reason Yamaguchi先生?

https://newpakhistorian.word press.com/tag/maliar-caste-pakistan/
https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/19454/PK CT55555 (talk) 02:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, to Arain as a synonym thereof.^[1]^[2]

References

^ Alison Shaw (2000). Kinship and Continuity; Pakistani Families in Britain. Harwood Academic. p. 121. ISBN 9789058230751.
^ Sir Denzil Ibbetson Maclagan (1990). Horace Arthur Rose (ed.). Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province. Asian Educational Services. p. 13. ISBN 9788120605053.

SailingInABathTub (talk) 10:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – strong indications of existence of significant coverage, such as this book The Origin of the South Asian Malyar Tribe, by Shahid Khan-Malyarzoi, Jacqueline Harvey and hundreds of search results with trivial mention to this tribe. Radioactive (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: more input would be appreciated
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I commented and avoided !voting in case I missed something, but the nominator hasn't answered my question. With no objections to the sources I suggested, I'll be bolder and say keep. CT55555 (talk) 02:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 14:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above points. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 14:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think a redirect to Arain is the best option, although I'm certainly glad to reconsider if there's something I've missed. There's nothing here that stands out as a reliable source: the Joshua Project was deemed unreliable at RSN, the WordPress site appears to be a blog (WP:SPS), and the South Asian Malyar Tribe book doesn't seem to have been published by any reputable outlet. I think this is a case where it's important to be strict about reliability: this is a contentious topic area that falls under general sanctions, and there have been issues with unreliable sources (and related problems like WP:FRINGE) in the past. The sources mentioned by SailingInABathTub (and others in GScholar), while not sigcov, are reliable, and they do indicate that this group is connected to the Arain, so a redirect strikes me as a reasonable alternative to deletion as well. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.