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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mod Dam 1199 R[edit]

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Prototype of a motorcycle (main feature being that it has the engine from a different motorcycle installed) does not meet WP:PRODUCT. Most sources do not mention this specific vehicle, the few that do are WP:ROUTINE following its announcement and do not have a WP:SUSTAINED impact. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:49, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:13, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:13, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep easily meets WP:GNG. --John B123 (talk) 14:55, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, per above and reading this source, it appears there was only one built and I don't think it was ever for sale so I don't think this can be considered a WP:PRODUCT. NemesisAT (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment (originally posted at the article talk page): I'm not at all familiar with custom motorcycle enthusiast circles, but I'm finding hard to believe that this one motorcycle customised by one person would meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Only a couple of the cited sources are about the vehicle in question, and they appear to be blogs basing their reporting on the creator's Facebook posts. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. While the subject has been covered by several websites, all of them are either enthusiast blogs or "content curator" websites writing about things found online without contributing any significant original reporting. All of them feature nearly the same information, presumably copied from its creator's Facebook posts. The nature of the subject, a single custom motorcycle created as a hobby project by one person, which has already been destroyed, makes it extremely unlikely that it will ever be the subject of WP:SUSTAINED coverage going forward. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep think this is an interesting story and can be improved, but should not be deleted, meets WP:GNG. First news article appeared in 2016, followed by a series in various languages through 2020. The story seems to be of public interest. Article cannot be considered WP:NOTPROMOTION Meow2021 (talk) Meow2021 (talk) 04:07, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Meow2021, thank you for improving the article by removing some copyright violations. However, WP:CANVASSING your friends (EurekaLott, Sagotreespirit and John B123) to vote here is not so good. MrsSnoozyTurtle 12:10, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inviting editors who edited the article is difficult to declare as "friends". There is no evidence of WP:CANVASSING. No evidence of "copyright violation" in the article. Regards Meow2021 (talk) Meow2021 (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MrsSnoozyTurtle: Please read Wikipedia:Canvassing and note the difference between WP:CANVASS and WP:APPNOTE. If find your insinuation that my keep !vote was not honest and objective insulting and unacceptable. Any previous copyright problems are irrelevant to AfD, but since you brought it up: EranBot hasn't flagged any copvios, nor is there anything in the page history to suggest problems. Given that you have already unsuccessfully tried to get to the article deleted by prod and G11, I would have thought there would also have been a WP:G12 nomination if there were copyvios. If there is a copyvio that nobody else has spotted, then I wonder why you did not flag it as such and haven't requested a ((Copyvio-revdel)) now that the problem has been resolved. --John B123 (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom and Paul_012. Almost the entire article is dedicated to either its specifications or its base model, the Honda Grom. While a vast majority of the citations are from valid sources, none of the valid sources actually refer to the Mod Dam 1199, with many instead either focusing on the Honda Grom or the engine that the text is discussing, not the actual motorcycle that the article is supposedly about. Basically, a vast majority of this article is fluff, and this entire thing is worth maybe a paragraph tops. This is just an engine swap, and we don't make articles on every single car that's had an engine swap. The motorcycle is already destroyed, anyways. AdoTang (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable motorcycle designed by Mario Kleff that meets WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. — Sagotreespirit (^talk) 06:23, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There is sufficient coverage of sources. Rondolinda (talk) 20:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, sufficient coverage in independent sources. Lilporchy (talk) 01:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Meets GNG thanks to significant coverage.Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:04, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.