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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Natasha Gonzalez (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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am unfortunately only seeing only passing mentions in reliable sources as well, can't see anything in WP:NTENNIS that may suggest notability and before search revealed no results. Justiyaya 14:52, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Tennis, and California. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:13, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Nothing found for this influencer, other than mention of tennis matches she's played. Refbombed out the wazoo with trivial mentions in articles about other people. Oaktree b (talk) 15:36, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Source 11 in particular is about Xavier, a guy. I'm assuming they're related, but the article isn't about Natasha. Rest are about as unhelpful. Oaktree b (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and per same reasoning I gave when I PROD the article earlier. A lot of references in the article but all are passing mentions or don't assume any notability onto this individual. No accomplishments in the tennis world that would make her meet WP:NTENNIS, and no independent sources establish WP:GNG either. Adamtt9 (talk) 17:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Please take a look at the feature article in Latina Style Magazine, a national publication since the 1990s, where Gonzalez is featured together with astronaut Ellen Ochoa and Dr. Elena Rios of the NHMA. Also take a look at the information regarding the International Tennis Club of the USA and its Avory Cup matches against the Great Britain select team. This is an international competition on par with Beier Ko's Fed Cup. The reference to Xavier, who is her brother, is simply because an editor requested a cite for that mention--don't now turn and use that against her. Where is the good faith? Also, it doesn't compute that you consider the Intercollegiate Tennis Association's Arthur Ashe Sportsmanship Award as a trivial award--it certainly is more significant than an award given by a single conference (as in the case of Kristy Borza). The Arthur Ashe Sportsmanship Award is a national collegiate award. Same goes for the coSIDA Academic All District. Again, applying the WP:NTENNIS standard is not the appropriate standard as that is for professional players, not for collegiate players. Not even Kristy Borza, who has a Wikipedia page, meets that standard. Nor does Grant Solomon, who has a wikipedia page, meet that standard Not even does Beier Ko meet that standard--ITF tournaments (which are one level down from Challenger tournaments, which are one level down from WTA and ATP tournaments) do not meet the test of WP:TENNIS. The proper standard to apply to all of the previous persons is the collegiate standard. Morevoer, wikipedia policy is clear that the Sports Threshold is not meant to raise the bar for general notability-- in the case of Gonzalez, you have not taken into account that she is a Fulbright Scholar and her anti-smoking advocacy work with teenagers. Finally, you have failed to take into consideration that she comes from the Bolivian-American community, and there has never before been a student-athlete from that community that has served as a team captain for a varsity athletic team in the history of Harvard University. Let me be clear: I believe that each of Kristy Borza, Beier Ko and Grant Solomon are deserving of a wikipedia page. But by that measure, so is Natasha Gonzalez. A final note: you say the sources mention her accomplishments in passing. If one is awarded the Fulbright Scholarship, doesn't that speak for itself? Isn't there a presumption that that is notable.?So even a mention in passing establishes that.
- Look, the accomplishments speak for themselves. If you want more or better sources, give me time to come up with them. Why the hurry to blow up the page? Xavier Serif (talk) 04:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you point to the source that says she's a Fullbright Scholar? None of the ones listed show that, that I can see anyway. Oaktree b (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:58, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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