The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --JForget 00:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neal Century[edit]

I honestly can't tell if this is an elaborate hoax or simply a very non-notable musician. I've already deleted the supposed record label, WP2R, as A7 and cannot find a single mention of any of the albums Neal Century supposedly released. I also failed to find any reference to the tours Century supposedly performed on. The article fails Wikipedia:Notability (music), is completely unreferenced, and the only mentions of a Neal Century or Maurice Yandiorio (birth name) are mirrors of this article. - auburnpilot talk 15:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the supposed band, which again I cannot find any sources for except for mirrors of the article. It's only claim to fame is the sale of 4000 e-tracks.

Note to closing admin As this AFD was getting ludicrously long and incoherent, I've collapsed all comments by single purpose accounts into collapse boxes. — iridescent 14:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi... what? I'm mister Maurice Yandiorio... sorry... but... actually all the things i wrote are real! The WP2R has been closed down because i'm moving to Japan... and the albums are coverd by the Italian SIAE Copyrights. The tours made were self organized by The Work Band... wich is one of my musical projects. All the informations ... are real! Please! Why did you deleted the WP2R? We have never made things on the marketing but we always paid taxes. - torratte talk 17:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] Then... about The Work (band)... we have been playing and selling tracks all around the world to artists. Now, at the moment... we counted about 4000 tracks sold on the internet through those artist that actually used the music we created and sold. All our web sites are now closed cuz we are actually renovating them... and making them right in 10 different languages! - torratte talk 17:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] In fact in the www.myspace.com/nealcentury in only 3 months we received something like 5000 contacts of people that knew us before and found hard to contact us in the internet since we decided to close everything down for a while to promote in the near future just our project and working only for us. Bet it will take a long time since we are moving everything to Japan. - torratte talk 17:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] we actually didn't claim "to fame" after salling 4000 e-tracks. That's even why we decided to call them e-tracks. We decided to write on the Wikipedia about one year ago and be ready for the 2010 when our strong promotion will start. We are now working on our projects. Short movies and studying the right way to promote the new band. We are even working with Translators to translate the page in 10 different languages... to be available to everyone wants to know more things about us. We decided to start some pages on the Wikipedia because sometimes people do not peak english... that's came out from people that wrote on our old website. - torratte talk 18:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] I've just informed my producer and the rest of the band... and we decided, if you want... since we have all our web sites all closed ... that maybe we can arrange a meeting to prove with papers what we wrote. Also could send you some notable-artist's contact to add some more references! Thanks! - torratte talk 18:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] PAY ATTENTION TO THE THINGS I WROTE: "actually all the things i wrote are real! The WP2R has been closed down because i'm moving to Japan... and the albums are coverd by the Italian SIAE Copyrights. The tours made were self organized by The Work Band... wich is one of my musical projects. All the informations ... are real!" IT MEANS THAT THIS IS HAPPENED. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT THE PAGES I WROTE ARE PROJECT FOR THE FUTURE. THERE ARE OTHER PROJECT FOR THE FUTURE... AND THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO PUT INFORMATIONS ON THE WIKI'S SITE. BECAUSE PEOPLE COULDN'T FIND AVAILABLE OUR WEB SITE... CUZ WE ARE CHANGING A LOT OF THINGS. - torratte talk 18:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] OK... EVERYTHING WRITTEN IS RIGHT... HAPPENED AND DONE! "OTHER" PROJECTS ARE READY FOR THE FUTURE! IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THIS ARTICLES MUST BE DELETED.WE HAVE RESPECTED WIKI'S RULES!!! - torratte talk 18:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] Comment. Unfortunately, being true or real does not mean an article passes the tests that Wikipedia has regarding such things as notability. These are the quite strict criteria that determines whether there should be an article about something or not. If you click on this blue word notability you can read all about it. In addition, you should read this : WP:MUSIC. Many thanks and best wishes with your projects, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 17:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] I'VE JUST POSTED THIS ON MY BLOG. WE THINK YOUR DECISION IS TOTALLY UNFAIR. WE HAVE RECEIVED ALREADY UNDREADS OF MAILS AND WE WILL GO FURTHER THIS PROBLEM. IS A NOTABLE WEBSITE AND IS FREE. WE HAVE RESPECTED ALL THE RULES, CRITERIA AND WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANNA DELETE THESE PAGES? WHAT IS WRONG? IF YOU THINK THE TOURS, FOR EXAMPLE... ARE NOT SUFFICIENT NOTABLE... SO WE CAN EDIT THE PAGE! OTHERWISE... WHAT THIS SITE IS MADE FOR? WE CAN EDIT IT! END OF THE PROBLEMS. - torratte talk 19:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] Comment Torratte, your behaviour here is bordering on being disruptive, please stop. Thank you. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] WE ONLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT. WE WILL MOVE THROUGH THE WIKI'S HEAD IF YOU REALLY THINK THE PAGES ARE NOT RIGHT... OR DO NOT RESPECT YOUR CRITERIA... FINE. WE WILL MOVE THROUGH THE WIKI'S HEAD. WE WILL CONTACT WIKIPEDIA VIA PAPERS. THANKS. - torratte talk 20:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] Hi. this is for us the first time that things like that happen and we cannot understand really. Sorry about torratte's behaviour but we really talked a lot about this. Also our HEAD-OFFICE just read your policy and they cannot understand where the problem is. - nick talk 20:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] ~~That's increadible how do we read the informations about the band? the sites are closed. - jonny talk 20:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)~~[reply] Comment. Erm... the above two comments by 'Nick' and 'jonny' were posted by torrattetalk himself... see [1] and [2]. Torratte, please, desist. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] Comment I have struck through the comments by 'nick' and 'jonny' because, as Alasdair says, these were posted by torratte posing as other users. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi... what? I'm mister Maurice Yandiorio... sorry... but... actually all the things i wrote are real! The WP2R has been closed down because i'm moving to Japan... and the albums are coverd by the Italian SIAE Copyrights. The tours made were self organized by The Work Band... wich is one of my musical projects. All the informations ... are real! Please! Why did you deleted the WP2R? We have never made things on the marketing but we always paid taxes. - torratte talk 17:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then... about The Work (band)... we have been playing and selling tracks all around the world to artists. Now, at the moment... we counted about 4000 tracks sold on the internet through those artist that actually used the music we created and sold. All our web sites are now closed cuz we are actually renovating them... and making them right in 10 different languages! - torratte talk 17:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact in the www.myspace.com/nealcentury in only 3 months we received something like 5000 contacts of people that knew us before and found hard to contact us in the internet since we decided to close everything down for a while to promote in the near future just our project and working only for us. Bet it will take a long time since we are moving everything to Japan. - torratte talk 17:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

we actually didn't claim "to fame" after salling 4000 e-tracks. That's even why we decided to call them e-tracks. We decided to write on the Wikipedia about one year ago and be ready for the 2010 when our strong promotion will start. We are now working on our projects. Short movies and studying the right way to promote the new band. We are even working with Translators to translate the page in 10 different languages... to be available to everyone wants to know more things about us. We decided to start some pages on the Wikipedia because sometimes people do not peak english... that's came out from people that wrote on our old website. - torratte talk 18:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've just informed my producer and the rest of the band... and we decided, if you want... since we have all our web sites all closed ... that maybe we can arrange a meeting to prove with papers what we wrote. Also could send you some notable-artist's contact to add some more references! Thanks! - torratte talk 18:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PAY ATTENTION TO THE THINGS I WROTE: "actually all the things i wrote are real! The WP2R has been closed down because i'm moving to Japan... and the albums are coverd by the Italian SIAE Copyrights. The tours made were self organized by The Work Band... wich is one of my musical projects. All the informations ... are real!" IT MEANS THAT THIS IS HAPPENED. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT THE PAGES I WROTE ARE PROJECT FOR THE FUTURE. THERE ARE OTHER PROJECT FOR THE FUTURE... AND THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO PUT INFORMATIONS ON THE WIKI'S SITE. BECAUSE PEOPLE COULDN'T FIND AVAILABLE OUR WEB SITE... CUZ WE ARE CHANGING A LOT OF THINGS. - torratte talk 18:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK... EVERYTHING WRITTEN IS RIGHT... HAPPENED AND DONE! "OTHER" PROJECTS ARE READY FOR THE FUTURE! IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THIS ARTICLES MUST BE DELETED.WE HAVE RESPECTED WIKI'S RULES!!! - torratte talk 18:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Unfortunately, being true or real does not mean an article passes the tests that Wikipedia has regarding such things as notability. These are the quite strict criteria that determines whether there should be an article about something or not. If you click on this blue word notability you can read all about it. In addition, you should read this : WP:MUSIC. Many thanks and best wishes with your projects, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 17:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'VE JUST POSTED THIS ON MY BLOG. WE THINK YOUR DECISION IS TOTALLY UNFAIR. WE HAVE RECEIVED ALREADY UNDREADS OF MAILS AND WE WILL GO FURTHER THIS PROBLEM. IS A NOTABLE WEBSITE AND IS FREE. WE HAVE RESPECTED ALL THE RULES, CRITERIA AND WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANNA DELETE THESE PAGES? WHAT IS WRONG?

IF YOU THINK THE TOURS, FOR EXAMPLE... ARE NOT SUFFICIENT NOTABLE... SO WE CAN EDIT THE PAGE!

OTHERWISE... WHAT THIS SITE IS MADE FOR?

WE CAN EDIT IT! END OF THE PROBLEMS.

- torratte

talk 19:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Torratte, your behaviour here is bordering on being disruptive, please stop. Thank you. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WE ONLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT. WE WILL MOVE THROUGH THE WIKI'S HEAD IF YOU REALLY THINK THE PAGES ARE NOT RIGHT... OR DO NOT RESPECT YOUR CRITERIA... FINE. WE WILL MOVE THROUGH THE WIKI'S HEAD. WE WILL CONTACT WIKIPEDIA VIA PAPERS. THANKS. - torratte talk 20:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. this is for us the first time that things like that happen and we cannot understand really. Sorry about torratte's behaviour but we really talked a lot about this. Also our HEAD-OFFICE just read your policy and they cannot understand where the problem is. - nick talk 20:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~That's increadible how do we read the informations about the band? the sites are closed. - jonny talk 20:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)~~[reply]

Comment. Erm... the above two comments by 'Nick' and 'jonny' were posted by torrattetalk himself... see [1] and [2]. Torratte, please, desist. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have struck through the comments by 'nick' and 'jonny' because, as Alasdair says, these were posted by torratte posing as other users. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both articles per nom, non-notable under WP:N and WP:MUSIC. In his comments above, the articles' creator tells us that this is a project for the future, and I wish him well with it. If and when there is sufficient notability, that'll be the time to have these articles. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 17:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and no sir, you have not respected Wikipedia policies at all. Please read the policies on verifiability, sourcing and notability for musicians or at least peruse the five pillars and stop YELLING IN ALL CAPS with lots of exclamation points!!!!!!! Beeblbrox (talk) 17:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Neal Century and the band simply do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia per WP:MUSIC and WP:N, i.e. they are not notable. Also the articles have no reliable sources (and I can find none), i.e. features in independent sources with a reputation for factchecking and accuracy, without which the content of the articles cannot be verified. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete them both - it's a cut above your usual Myspace rubbish, but it's still Myspace rubbish. Aside from anything else it's a copyvio given that it's cut-and-pasted from the Myspace page. — iridescent 19:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete vain vanity in vain, and idiocy from sockpuppets. JuJube (talk) 20:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete neither article meets notability criteria. Can someone clean this afd up a bit? --neonwhite user page talk 21:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both, for all the above reasons. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 23:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I've been reading all through this section and i would like to say that i know Century's Works since i've bought one of his albums. Albums are hard to be named cuz they are in fact only venils. They do not have proper CDs out but "followers" can order them via the blog or via the web site. Actually i even didn't know that the web site is no longer available. After have read this section i edited the Neal Century Page. I do not really know much about Works because i don't really like them. Too Rocky. I would like to ask you not to Delete these pages since they report true informations, might not complete informations but users are here for this, to edit day by day the pages. I've read on Neal Century's Blog that Wikipedia wanted to Delete the page, that's why i'm writing here. I think the informations about Neal Century and The Work should only be edited as better as we all can. I think that's the spirit of this Site, isn't it? Hopefully, i hope my edit could have helped you to calm a bit the situation. Thanks a lot. Joanna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.1.134.5 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] Hi, this is still me. I wanted to say that if you have a look to the people that have collabotared with George Michael the singer, you can find Mr. Yandiorio. Thanks. Joanna —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.1.134.5 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply] On his Blog Neal Century says that wikipedia wants to delete his Biography... why? Non-Notable? Are you Joking? Just because you don't know him doesn't mean he doesn't exist. We are collecting over 150'000 sings to report a petition against all the users that want to delete the pages. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia!!! More signs will be available on the blog in the next days to ask to Jimmy Donal Wales... the man that ownes Wiki to block these administration users. They are not good enough to cope with such a big thing as wiki... for sure! If someone reads... Sing the Petition! Maria —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariabrumana (talk • contribs) 11:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I've been reading all through this section and i would like to say that i know Century's Works since i've bought one of his albums. Albums are hard to be named cuz they are in fact only venils. They do not have proper CDs out but "followers" can order them via the blog or via the web site. Actually i even didn't know that the web site is no longer available. After have read this section i edited the Neal Century Page. I do not really know much about Works because i don't really like them. Too Rocky.

I would like to ask you not to Delete these pages since they report true informations, might not complete informations but users are here for this, to edit day by day the pages. I've read on Neal Century's Blog that Wikipedia wanted to Delete the page, that's why i'm writing here. I think the informations about Neal Century and The Work should only be edited as better as we all can. I think that's the spirit of this Site, isn't it? Hopefully, i hope my edit could have helped you to calm a bit the situation. Thanks a lot. Joanna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.1.134.5 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this is still me. I wanted to say that if you have a look to the people that have collabotared with George Michael the singer, you can find Mr. Yandiorio. Thanks. Joanna —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.1.134.5 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On his Blog Neal Century says that wikipedia wants to delete his Biography... why? Non-Notable? Are you Joking? Just because you don't know him doesn't mean he doesn't exist. We are collecting over 150'000 sings to report a petition against all the users that want to delete the pages. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia!!! More signs will be available on the blog in the next days to ask to Jimmy Donal Wales... the man that ownes Wiki to block these administration users. They are not good enough to cope with such a big thing as wiki... for sure!

If someone reads... Sing the Petition! Maria —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariabrumana (talk • contribs) 11:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails Wikipedia's content inclusion criteria of Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (music), cites no sources other than Myspace and YouTube and I can't find any other usable ones. Hut 8.5 15:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom non notable. BigDunc^Talk 15:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Hopeless vanity. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article itself states the tours were 'self-organized and not notable'.If the artist or their fans don't feel the tour was notable,then what hope for the rest of us? Lemon martini (talk) 18:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Either a hoax or hopelessly vanity. In either case, miserably fails notability. Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 18:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — no reliable sources support the notability of the subject (either subject) --Haemo (talk) 22:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: can this be a snowstorm? -- Hoary (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As the article's subject has apparently made several legal threats, and claims to have been in contact with the foundation, I wouldn't suggest closing this early. Let's give it the full five days. - auburnpilot talk 16:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete obviously nn. Eusebeus (talk)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.