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The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 22:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New York State Route 21A[edit]

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Unreferenced article, possibly a hoax. Was tagged with PROD as such, detagged by article creator with no explanation given. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 05:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - According to GoogleMaps, this road does not "come out to save people" time in driving from Wayland to Bristol. [1] There is a New York State Route 21, but no evidence exists as far as I can see for this route. --Oakshade (talk) 09:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep - It doesn't appear to be a hoax [2]. One of the ghits is New York State Route 364, which includes a (seemingly unreferenced) mention of 21A. The article - in its current form reads like nonsense, but I don't think it's a hoax, nor is it unreferencable (is that a word?) -Seidenstud (talk) 09:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The discussion in NYS 364 is about an historically designated route on the east side of Canandaigua Lake. This article appears to be about a route entirely southwest of the lake. --Dhartung | Talk 17:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• The pages listed on those Google searches all seem to be about freeway/expressway exits that are designated 21A which are unrelated to this allged route, WP mirrors or, as stated above, referring to a different route in Suffolk County (that's a different part of New York state for the NY geographically impaired).--Oakshade (talk) 19:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Suffolk County reference (a doctor's address, if I recall) must be a typo for Route 25A; Google Maps comes up with no results for that address. Powers ^T 14:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• The reference in our NY364 article is to a former routing, so it's possible that 21A existed in the past. I checked NYSDOT's 2006 traffic counts and there is no Route 21A listed. It's possible that it was a former designation being re-commissioned. The Upstate New York Roads roadfan site doesn't mention any current or former 21A. User:TwinsMetsFan added the 21A info to the NY364 article in March; I'll ask him to drop by and let us know where it came from. Powers ^T 15:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless references are found, which they probably won't as this reads like the description of a fantasy road (a roadgeek what-if pastime). --Dhartung | Talk 17:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as unverifiable. --Rschen7754 (T C) 17:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per nom. Very possibly a hoax. Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 18:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. No references, poor article quality overall and no proof this highway designation exists. Imzadi1979 (talk) 18:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference recently added has been determined by Nick at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#NYS_Route_21A... to be written by the article creator, Check77 failing WP:RS and WP:SPS. With that, there are still no references in the article reinforcing the lack of proof of this highway's supposed existence. Imzadi1979 (talk) 01:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:V. --Polaron | Talk 00:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete As failing WP:V and per Rschen7754 and Dhartung. Edison (talk) 05:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Going the wrong way on a one-way street! Ecoleetage (talk) 23:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete: the article is unsourced, and not well written. By the way, I am not entirely clear how the New York state highway system works. It appears that there are "touring" routes, which are all numbered, and there are state DOT-owned highways. New York State Route 21A is not a "touring" route; even though there seems to be very substantial overlap between the state-owned highway network and the touring-route system, according to the NYSDOT 2006 Highway Mileage Summary Reference Material "[t]ouring route status DOES NOT imply highway ownership." I would interpret that to mean that there may be NYSDOT roads that are not part of the Touring Route Number System, and so I can offer no opinion on whether the road actually exists or not. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, some NYSDOT-maintained roads do not carry touring route numbers. (They do have reference route numbers, though, which are three-digit numbers in the 900-range.) A state route numbered "21A", however, would necessarily be a touring route, by definition. Powers ^T 13:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete while NYS has a tendency for alphabet soup in their road names, these variations often turn up at the least in Google Maps 17 M and 17K, among others whereas this one does not and there's no evidence outside Wikipedia that it exists. That said, I'll be in the area at the upcoming weekend and am happy to see if I can find anything about an old road of tht name _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 03:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Totally unverifiable. seicer | talk | contribs 23:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Hoax. MookieZ (talk) 20:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as a hoax. There is no Napay, NY. A Google Map does not reveal it. I have lived upstate for over 25 years, and have visited every county. Bearian (talk) 19:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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