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The result was Delete. per WP:WEB, probably an A7 speedy. Black Kite 23:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Batsu J-Rock Forum

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Another non-notable fanforum. AecisBrievenbus 23:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Fails WP:V amongst many other problems, as the comments show. Black Kite 23:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of F.E.A.R. Mods

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List of game mods, does not appear to be encyclopedic, lacks sources, and is of very limited interest. See WP:LC. Stifle (talk) 23:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thousands people are aware of at least 1 of the mods, and most play them. I believe they are notable. And the list of half-life mods article doesn't cite any sources either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulalex19 (talkcontribs) 23:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy close and redirect to Units in the City. This page listed nothing else than the song's chart positions, which are already in Shawty's discography, so I feel this is a non-controversial merge. And personally, I will trout the next person who takes a merge request to AfD. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 23:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Foolish (Shawty Lo song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Song article unlikely to ever to grow beyond stub. Should be merged to Shawty Lo. Damiens.rf 23:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. WP:BIO, clearly non-notable. Black Kite 23:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spencer T. Ellis

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I'm inclined to think that founding a fairly new church (July 2005) and giving a weekly sermon on the Christian Television Network doesn't quite satisfy WP:BIO. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Non-notable, almost strays into G11 territory. Black Kite 23:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Red Cap Vineyards

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No establishment whatsoever of notability Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 23:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. WP:RECENT, WP:NOT#NEWS, etc. Black Kite 23:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cindy (dolphin) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

A good example of WP:RECENTISM. A dolphin "married" a woman, this article is about the dolphin. This was nothing more than a tabloid story and something found in the "Weird News" section. I do not see how this event is signifanct enough to be in a encyclopedia. The article about the woman was already deleted [2]. The last AFD for the article was around when this story was in news. Anyways the dolphin gets an article but not the woman? That makes no sense. Neither are notable. -- Coasttocoast (talk) 23:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Actually, there was news coverage for the Dolphin's death as presented in the article. Englishrose (talk) 21:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The sources are defintley reliable. MSNBC, Fox News etc are reliable sources. Englishrose (talk) 21:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I understand this will be deleted anyway as wikipedia has changed and the delete voters pragade have become more of a force and this will result in wikipedia's downfall. This was always a borderline keep but if some of the other very notable stuff gets deleted then I have no doubt this will to, which is kind of sad in a way. But there you go. Englishrose (talk) 21:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I the article on Sharon Tendler contained the exact same information that this article has. What makes the dolphin notable and not the woman? The wedding itself is what got the headlines, not the woman or the dolphin. -- Coasttocoast (talk) 21:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then rename it to Dolphin/Human marriage or something more appropiate. More to the point this article that contained less information than it does now got kept twice. What changes? Englishrose (talk) 21:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The marriage still isn't notable. It was just a tabloid and "weird news" story, nothing else. Every day theres stories like this. What about the guy who sat on the toilet in an airplane, that made headlines should he get an article? Just watch any late night monologue and theres a lot of stories like this, non of them suitable for an encyclopedia. -- Coasttocoast (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bagot Beast

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Most of this article is a pseudo-historical document. This is source material that wouldn't belong in a Wikipedia article, if just for the fact that it's made up and original research. What remains is a barely notable art project. It is striking that the only google hit for "Bagot Beast" is this Wikipedia article. AecisBrievenbus 23:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Redirected to Half-Life 2: Episode Two. No valid reasons to keep given, but in the absence of a suitable merge page, let it go to the main article so that the history is preserved in the remote chance that an encyclopedic article could be written. Black Kite 23:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

White Forest Rocket Facility (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This fictional location in a game has only 144 Google hits, remarkably few. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 22:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. Additional sources have been found during the AfD and there was no consensus for deletion. However, there are still significant unsourced claims and inline cites are needed to avoid a further challenge, at least to some of the content. TerriersFan (talk) 02:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

American Specialty Cars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

No notability, nearly pure original research and promotion; most text lifted from company's own promotional website —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 23:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The company seems significant enough to merit an article, though parts of it likely need to be deleted or rewritten. IFCAR (talk) 17:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The company is well known and significant among the custom car industry; if the article is broken, somebody ought to fix it instead of abolishing it. Gzuckier (talk) 17:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. EdJohnston (talk) 03:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriel Al-Amin

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This person appears to be a fabrication, a hoax, or at the least an inflated reputation/personal bio. There has only ever been one article published by them, which was reprinted in several less than noteworthy publications. There is no information anywhere available on the person themself, nor any evidence that they have ever written anything else, on any subject. Appears to just be one single-purpose editor maintaining and pushing for keeping the article. ← George [talk] 22:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be a fabrication of sorts, akin to Google bombing. Many blogs and forums have the exact same copy-and-pasted message pointing to a single article by this otherwise unknown author, published on a non-neutral political site. It would appear that one person (possibly the author themself) is trying to build up this persona by linking to it from all sorts of various places. This author appears to have zero noteworthiness outside of this single article, and none of the personal claims in the Wikipedia entry can be verified (which leads me to suspect this is a personal bio). ← George [talk] 22:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Semitism and Racism Towards Israel on Wikipedia

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Please don't delete Gabriel Al-Amin's secion. The fact that you guys remove Gabriel Al Amin section 3 times a day proves that you guys are biased towards one side. I am sure if someone, whom we will call "Person A," actually invented a fabricated character, whom we will call "Person B", and "Person A" would say that "Person B" is a famous columnist who published an article that Israel failed miserably in the Lebanon War, and that Israel is an evil occupier oppressor, I am sure you guys would not care about getting proof of "Person B's" existence as much as you guys would care about proof of the existence of Al Amin! But when someone like Al Amin, who does not share a 100% bashing Israel perspective (as much as you guys are), then you guys go bazerk and look for any excuse to have him taken down and hush him up. Even if "Person B" would not have even ever been published in even one newspaper you guys would probably let his section stay. But Al Amin has been published in 6 different newspapers. I found this too: http://arabdesk.co.il/ArticleView.aspx?id=99 I am not even Jewish, I am actually a Greek Orthodox, but i believe the section of Al Amin needs to be heard, since like i said again there are a lot of people in Lebanon that would agree with him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholausz (talkcontribs) 15:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UsedID:Nicholausz has a similar IP address to LebanonWire.com, the source of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.200.163 (talk) 16:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's also great that he accused all the editors removing that section from the Lebanon War article - "you guys are biased towards one side" (against Israel). I'm more used to being accused of being pro-Israel, not anti-Israel... I take that as a sign I'm doing okay. okedem (talk) 18:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which do you consider to be a reliable, third-party source? I didn't really find any of the references sufficient. ← George [talk] 06:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral: The hnn.us blog seems to be a reliable source, as the blogger is apparently a noted expert in the field, but more sources are needed. Also, I disagree with those who say that the subject is a hoax. And the topic is more important than much that is found on Wikipedia. That having been said, the fact that the article uses the self-published sources as a primary means for verification is a major weakness. On balance, I would say there are satisfactory arguments both for and against deletion. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 08:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll give you that it's not as bad as the other sources, but I still find it problematic. First, obviously, it's a blog, so this blog entry won't have any editorial oversight (so no fact or source checking). Second, the blog entry isn't about Gabriel Al-Amin, it just references him with a link to the same, single article (broken link by the way) when talking about the war. Third, I'm not sure the author is "a noted expert in the field". She doesn't have a Wikipedia article, which makes me wonder about her notability, but at least her bio states that she's been a professor at a couple universities in Israel and one in Denmark, and written a couple books, so she could be. I wouldn't say that Gabriel Al-Amin is a hoax per se, but given the lack of anything confirming the existence of this person, I would say it is more likely either (a) a pseudonym used by someone else, whose motives, qualifications, and affiliations are completely unknown, or (b) a person named Gabriel Al-Amin, who really did write an article that by chance got picked up by a news wire and republished in several minor newspapers, but who still lacks the noteworthiness required of a Wikipedia article. ← George [talk] 09:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is Wikipedia, not MySpace. See WP:OTHERCRAP for some guidance. --Soman (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Appears to meet various parts of WP:MUSIC. Black Kite 23:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merzedes Club (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

per WP:Music — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bambinn (talkcontribs)


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References

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  1. ^ Gillz.is
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The result was Delete per WP:MUSIC Black Kite 23:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gangsta P

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Two articles, one about a rapper and the other about his single album, but there is no indication that the artist meets Wikipedia:MUSIC#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles. The article about the artist was tagged for speedy deletion by another editor but this was declined on the basis that the article about the album also existed. As both articles were created by the same editor at the same time I fail to see the logic in that argument and have brought this to this wider audience instead. Ros0709 (talk) 22:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Related album article also nominated is:

Meet The Lil' Gangsta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)


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The result was delete; fails WP:BIO and WP:V covered by WP:RS. Tyranny of dissolving liberties being all well and good, Wikipedia isn't the place. PeterSymonds (talk) 11:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Tsarion

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With reference to the recent nomination of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Schnoebelen and its delete outcome, I find it relevant to consider the Tsarion article again as I believe these too figures pretty much are comparable when it comes to meeting Wikipedia's WP:BIO notability criteria. To be specific I find that the one-sided sourcing from web sites connected with Tsarion or sources that would otherwise not qualify as reliable sources makes this article a candidate for this nomination. __meco (talk) 21:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If this is deleted you have succumbed to the tyranny of dissolving Liberties — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.135.123 (talk) 04:15, May 19, 2008 (UTC)

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The result was No Consensus This sucker needs to be closed and no consensus is the way the way to go, as unsatisfactory as that is. Hey! we live in an imperfect world get used to it. (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 20:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Azalin Rex

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This appears to be a nonnotable game character with no independent coverage. It has been tagged for notability for about six months, so this nomination should not come as a surprise. Graevemoore (talk) 20:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Couldn't possibly agree more, and his other contributions should be checked as well to minimize the damage. BOZ (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete per WP:MUSIC and WP:V. PeterSymonds (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only Through the Pain (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

WP:CRYSTAL, no sources to verify the album. The E-card is apparently a primary source. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 21:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 21:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ugliness (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Nothing but a dictionary definition. A merge to Physical attractiveness has been proposed, but there's no discussion area on Talk:Physical attractiveness and there's nothing to merge anyway. Powers T 20:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Sources were identified during the AFD that has produced a firm consensus amongst editors that the book meets notability requirements. (Non-admin close.) Smile a While (talk) 01:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Gas We Pass (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Seems non-notable, unsourced Ziggy Sawdust 20:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedily deleted as a hoax.CobaltBlueTony™ talk 19:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew dwyer

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This article was originally at Andrew Dwyer, which I deleted (CSD G3/G11/A7) and salted because it appeared to be astroturfing, spamming, and/or hoaxing by a group of individuals with no other edits to the encyclopedia. It reappeared here not too long thereafter. Ultimately, I am convinced that the article is not a hoax, per se, and a discussion of its merits is in order. It looks like merely a WP:COI article about an individual who does not appear notable from reliable sources. Most, if not all, of the supposed references provided are not legitimate sources, in that they are profiles, broken links, passing mentions, etc. I also find it highly suspicious that this article in all its incarnations has been edited only by accounts with no other contributions to the encyclopedia as well (viz. the deleted history of the original article). The key issue here is the notability, though, and I don't believe it can be satisfactorily fleshed out and sourced, and recommend its deletion. NOTE: The listing of DVS Group (or DVS Facilities, I'm not sure what the company actually calls itself, since it differs) on the Council of Foreign Relations website as a corporate partner may make the company notable to some extent (even though no other sources can verify this, or even the existence of the company), but does not automatically transfer notability to its key individuals. --Kinu t/c 20:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This cache link[17] will help you out, Nsk92. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete per WP:MUSIC. Black Kite 23:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zad

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Non-notable band. No references in article; all I've found so far on the web is their MySpace page. Not eligible for speedy, as the article contains an assertion of notability. Powers T 20:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy deleted by Golbez (G3: Vandalism). Non-admin closure. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 08:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James J. "The Gent" Ryan

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I tagged this article as a possible hoax a few days ago and I am almost completely sure now that it is a hoax. Captain panda 20:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 21:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Gift (Ryan Shupe & The RubberBand album)

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The Gift (Ryan Shupe & The RubberBand album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

I really like Ryan Shupe & The RubberBand (Dream Big was soooo under-rated), but there's very little info on this album anywhere. No third party reviews or other coverage, and the album was apparently self-released. (At least their other albums all have reviews on All Music Guide, otherwise I might ask to delete those too.) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 18:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So what works as verifiable third party references. You've already shot down my Last Man Standing page (that was cited with about 5 sources, and I can back it up with more cites now). Why is the artist's own page with discography not considered legit? Would a retailer selling the CD be enough? It obviously exists (why would I make it up), so you (being the great "genius" that you are) enlighten me on what I have to cite for it to be fixed or legit or whatever it has to be.User:RobDMB20:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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  • Comment To Ten Pound Hammer, how about instead of going through everything I post and deleting it, you actually try to help me out? I am OBVIOUSLY new at this and all you're doing is being rude. How about instead of deleting it, add something to it. I don't know too much about this site other than what I've posted and that people supposedly add things to these articles. You're completely turning me off to this whole thing. There are hundreds of dicographies on this site from bands ranging from tiny to huge, and I thought it was apporpriate to post these articles (I speak of both this article and the Last Man Standing album article), in order to flesh out the band's complete discography. All Music Guide is not the only credible source in the world; and why does the citation have to have a rating? That doesn't make any sense to me. There's not even a reliable way for me to actually have a conversation with you. I am seriously unhappy about the way you are treating my posts, and I guess I can't really do anything. Thanks for nothing and I hope that you and your elitist attitude find something real to do besides police an open source website. User:RobDMB 22:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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