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The result was keep. PhilKnight (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Osama Malik

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Football player in a youth competition who does not meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:FOOTYN Mattinbgn\^talk 21:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The article does meet the notability guidelines of WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTYN as a football (soccer) player who plays at a professional level (on Adelaide United FC). Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment No - he does not play at a fully professional level and he does not meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:FOOTYN—he has not made a first-team appearance and plays with the Adelaide United youth team in the A-League National Youth League. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 22:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ My apologies, I mixed up the Adelaide United FC with the A-League National Youth League. You are correct, it does fail WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTYN as a non-professional. Again, sorry, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As much as I dislike to go back on myself, the reference from Lirm200 and Number57 (here) has convinced me that he in fact has played on a fully professional level. My apologies (again) for my inconsistency. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:ATHLETE because he hasn't played in a professional league. Schuym1 (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Malik made his professional debut in the Club World Cup for Adelaide United Lirm200 (talk) 12:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reference for this, because it seems that the consensus up until now has been that he has only played on the Adelaide United Youth league. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Referenced from the FIFA Match Report Lirm200 (talk) 21:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good find, I have changed my stance (above). Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep He will be notable probably in a few weeks, so you will just have to make the article again Portillo (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- AFD isn't a vote, you have to say why you to keep the article. Schuym1 (talk) 23:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - This should be a non-issue now, multiple reports including FIFA and Adelaide's Official Site confirming Malik has made his debut including "Vidmar surprisingly introduced 17 year old Youth player Osama Malik with 13 minutes to go, the young midfielder playing his first game for The Reds on the biggest occasion in the club’s history." Lirm200 (talk) 01:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- - Without wanting to be difficult, I am not sure if the Club World Cup is a fully professional competition given that the decidedly semi-pro Waitakere City F.C are one of the competing clubs! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 03:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Haha shush! Well from my point of view it's a FIFA endorsed competition that has mostly professional clubs competing like Gamba Osaka (who Malik played against) and Manchester United with Waitakere United being the sole exception, happy to be shown that this competition doesn't meet notability but as it stands I think Malik has played a professional game. Lirm200 (talk) 03:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom re WP:ATHLETE. Eusebeus (talk) 00:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep He's played for a fully professional club in the FIFA World Club Championship.[1] пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Speedy keep" connotes that the nomination was made in bad faith. Clearly the nominator has made a good faith attempt to apply the criteria. You mean "keep". Uncle G (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Number57's research. Giant Snowman 19:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Number57. Not just any football player can play in the FIFA Club World Cup ya know... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riotrocket8676 (talk • contribs)
Keep per professional appearance. matt91486 (talk) 04:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Played FIFA Club World Cup, generally considered noteworthy--ClubOranje^Talk 11:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep What you lot said above. :) Govvy (talk) 19:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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