The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 04:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peace Cup

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Non-notable series of football (soccer) games. WP can not cover every sporting event. Redddogg (talk) 15:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per WP:INDISCRIMINATE #5 -- coverage appears to be solely "routine news coverage of such things as announcements [&] sports" -- specifically who's participating and who won. Little or no attempt (either by the article or the underlying news coverage) to examine the topic in any detail or explicate its significance, if any (heck, it doesn't even explain how the participants are chosen). Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 15:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep-- Extensive international and significant coverage, [1], ~~New York Times~~, The Washington Times. Finally, eight articles in different foreign language Wikipedia, far from routine news coverage. --J.Mundo (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - That NY Times article is actually talking about the Copa America, not this Peace Cup. sassf (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, the Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church which is behind the Peace Cup, making its coverage hardly independent. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 16:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reluctant Keep by precedent to other Wikipedia sports entries. Wikipedia has room for articles about fourth-string centers on NCAA basketball teams, and 20th-place Olympic finishers in speed-walking, it has room for a football tournament played by top teams. Any tournament that Real Madrid and Juventus is in is notable. Unless we're doing a big housecleaning of Category:International_club_football_(soccer)_competitions, this tournament is at least as notable as a couple of dozen others with Wikipedia entries. THF (talk) 16:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: but if we cleaned out Category:International_club_football_(soccer)_competitions we might lose such compellingly-encyclopaedic articles as Copa Independencia & Mohammed bin Rashid International Football Championship (the latter of which is an improvement over the Peace Cup article in that it at least gives a selection criteria). What a tragedy that would be! Bad precedents (that have no basis in policy) will 'keep on keepin' on' unless and until we get the courage to reverse them. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 17:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a battle to be had at the WP:N level. I wouldn't disagree with changing the existing policies to more explicitly exclude thousands of articles than are currently in Wikipedia (WP:MUSIC is especially appalling in bootstrapping notability), but given the existing policies, it's disruptive to have these futile battles over individual articles where deletion will happen only by accident. It's amusing to see Wikipedia be utterly completist when it comes to Pokemon characters and exhibition football tournaments, yet fail to have coherent articles about basic legal concepts, but I've given up trying to swim against that current. THF (talk) 17:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've yet to see a notability guideline that didn't require significant third-party coverage. It's just that AfDs continually WP:IAR and ignore them, and this becomes a 'precedent'. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 18:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - international competition that receives wide independent coverage in the media each summer. Participating clubs are from the major leagues around the world. If there is content you would like to see in the article, why not add it? robwingfield ^«T•C» 17:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: what "wide independent coverage"? And how can it be "each summer" when it is only held every second year? And the reason I don't add "content you would like to see in the article" is because nothing of any depth exists in WP:RS on this subject. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 18:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Being a member of the Unification Church and also not knowing much about the world of football (soccer) it would be hard for me to judge the real importance of this event fairly. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, and Yahoo Sports News are cited, as well as some others that I don't recognize. Steve Dufour (talk) 17:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now. The event does gain international press coverage and it is slightly prestgious for a preseason competition. There are citations here and the article seems organized. There are also German, Spanish, French, Korean, Italian, Hungarian, Japanese, Portuguese, and Finnish WP articles on this event. Now should we have any articles about preseason tournaments? Probably not. But I don't think this is the place to start deleting. --Tocino 18:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I never heard of it, but if it's been noticed by the folks at Sports Illustrated, and if it's including such teams as Real Madrid and Juventus, it's notable. Mandsford (talk) 02:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The nomination states "Non-notable series of football (soccer) games. WP can not cover every sporting event.". The article has plenty of reliable sources to pass the first assertion, and WP:NOTPAPER applies to the second. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete completely meaningless pre-season competition. - fchd (talk) 09:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The citation cover is fairly good and professional teams take part. Seems to cover the basics for a qualifying article. Govvy (talk) 17:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep seems notable to me. Giant Snowman 17:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notable invitational pre-season tournament contested by fully-professional clubs, as is the Amsterdam Tournament. --Jimbo^[online] 23:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.