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Not every Native American artist that ever lived is notable. After recent additions, this stub now has all published, secondary information about this person. By any of her names, she fails to meet the criteria at WP:ARTIST: not considered important or widely cited by her peers, did not create a "significant new concept, theory, or technique," has not "a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work," and has her work has "work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums" (emphasis mine). Her aunt *is* notable and has an excellent article, but just being someone's relative does not confer notability. Ahalenia (talk) 16:04, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Ahalenia[reply]
I agree. I wrote the article because I had run into her name when writing other articles. I was wondering, now, if I could "beef" up the article... and find more articles to link it to. But I am not finding much (i.e., not notable). It doesn't seem to be a good candidate for expansion.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The criteria at WP:Artist calls for inclusion in several notable museums/galleries' permanent collections. The Heard Museum holds 40,000 artworks. Lester's directory lists more than 3,000 names. I don't understand why notability standards appear to never apply Native American bios. The energy put into this article, whose author agrees to delete, could be directed into articles for truly notable Native artists. The stub now contains all the information available about this person. I did mention her on Pop Chalee's article. Ahalenia (talk) 17:12, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Ahalenia[reply]
NARTIST is a special notability guideline. One needs to only meet GNG or ANYBIO for inclusion here. Also, we do not specify how large a museum's collection can be for it to be used in notability discussions. If 40,000 was the cut off, we would have to stop using the Metropolitan Museum of Art (way more than 500,000 objects) and the Musuem of Fine Arts, Boston (more than 450,000 objects). --- Possibly (talk) 17:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ahalenia, respectfully, you might want to think about what you said: I don't understand why notability standards appear to never apply Native American bios. I've seen quite a few deleted. The keep !voters here are quoting notability policy and guidelines: GNG, NARTIST, ANYBIO, BASIC, HEY, not just making things up in a cavalier manner. Netherzone (talk) 23:57, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ahalenia you've said three things that really aren't related to notability. First, not every Native American artist that ever lived is notable., second I don't understand why notability standards appear to never apply Native American bios and third Okay, any article written about any Native artists gets a pass. Please stop claiming native American ethicity is a "pass" for notability, because it's bullshit and it's verging on something really unattractive. If you feel the need to say again that native Americans are somehow exempted from notability rules, please just restrain yourself. --- Possibly (talk) 00:09, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I've improved the article, it now has several newspaper and book citations that span a period of several years. These combined with the museum collection + 2 biographic dictionary entries meets notability criteria. Her career spanned a short 3 years, from 1963 to 1966 when she died young and unexpectedly. However, during those 3 years she received significant attention for her work which was shown in several museums, and placed in private collections. What makes searching for these references difficult is that in addition to her indigenous name Pop Wea, she also went by six variations of her Anglo name. Netherzone (talk) 18:32, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep You know, we have articles here on sports guys whose careers span one inning in cricket, or one down in American football—that have survived AfD—so I'm pretty sure an artist who has substantial output and a notable museum presence won't break Wikipedia, especially per NARTIST and ANYBIO. GenQuest"scribble"23:49, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Pop Chalee This article has no birth date, no birthplace and no death place. It does not even include a list of works. Unless there is more information available in reliable secondary sources, it would be better to make a section in her aunt's article rather than a permanent stub. Joofjoof (talk) 09:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.