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The result was delete. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 22:35, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Putroe Neng[edit]

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It's hard to tell whether this article is about fact or fiction, but the categories listed imply it's supposed to be about a real person. There are no reliable sources to support any claims--the only reference is to a novel. The article reads more like legend/story than fact and could clearly use a rewrite if it's kept.Mdtemp (talk) 18:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree - the only source given is the novel and if kept there are essentially two choices - cut this down to bare bones sourced fact or convert the article to one about the novel. Neither option ensures notablility will be met.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, there are a whopping six Google Scholar hits for "Putroe Neng", all of which are in Indonesian. If she were one of the few Chinese from 1800 BC we know by name (as the author claimed on the talk page), there would be far more sources. Huon (talk) 23:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This seems to be a machine translation of a Chinese or possibly Malay tale based on events during the reign of the Ming dynasty Zhengde Emperor (r. 1505-1521), around the time Aceh was founded by Ali Mughayat Syah in 1511. The mention of 1180 BC is spurious on that basis. I can't find any corroboration in English or Chinese so it's a GNG failure. The English is sadly too far gone to attempt a rescue. Philg88 ^♦talk 08:45, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT (it's a mess of word salad and Chinglish), and WP:SNOW (nobody wants to keep this NN article). Bearian (talk) 22:31, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Do not agree : i can prove it with picture of her entombment, here : Makam Putroe Neng

also you can google it : putroe neng (Bappeda lhokseumawe (talk) 05:01, 1 May 2014 (UTC));[reply]

Comment @Bappeda lhokseumawe: Unfortunately the link you provided is dead (from the UK) at least, but I found some other pictures of the tomb. I don't dispute that Putroe Neng existed, but the English in the current article is unfathomable. All the references I can find seem to be in Indonesian. Do you know what her Chinese name was or whether there are any English books about her? Philg88 ^♦talk 06:20, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A picture of the purported grave of a character in a popular novel is not proof (read tourist trap). I also expect that the novel was based on a real character but it is impossible to separate out the novel from the real person not to mention the fact that the only source is the novel. Until that is changed we have to assume that the the character is based on the authors imagination. Peter Rehse (talk) 11:12, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, unless someone can come up with Putroe Neng's Chinese name, which in turn provides references, it doesn't look as if there's anything more that can be done to salvage the article. Philg88 ^♦talk 16:42, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Link is up, check again Makam Putroe Neng Her chinese name is : Nian Nio Liang Khie she is a legend here, especially in lhokseumawe city and there is a prove of her entombment. we can develop and dig more deeper about her life, the government of lhokseumawe city also seek and develop about it. modern reference, the novel is based on true story of her life. (Bappeda lhokseumawe (talk) 17:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)); Here another reference an old document in year 1972 Atjeh Cultural Festival (Bappeda lhokseumawe (talk) 17:27, 1 May 2014 (UTC));[reply]

Do you know the Chinese characters used for her name? Philg88 ^♦talk 17:43, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Philg88: i`m not Chinese, so i dont know her Chinese character, sorry.... (Bappeda lhokseumawe (talk) 17:55, 1 May 2014 (UTC));[reply]

So what do you think all? real people, real legend and true story, still marked for deletion? we can develop it together and dig more deeper about her life, i still looking more reliable source about when she was born and when she was dead, but still not found it, maybe you guys can help me to develop it (Bappeda lhokseumawe (talk) 18:14, 1 May 2014 (UTC));[reply]

@Bappeda lhokseumawe: The problem is that we have nothing in English to work from, which is why I asked for the Chinese characters because I can translate anything based on that. Unfortunately, I don't speak Indonesian, so the document you referenced above is of no use and gets us no further along. Philg88 ^♦talk 04:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I searched Google Books and Google Scholar for the presumed Chinese name. A grand total of three hits, all in Indonesian. Whether she lived in 1800BCE or 1500CE, I would expect at least some non-Indonesian sources on a female Chinese admiral. Huon (talk) 18:23, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Huon: Indeed. The Chinese name isn't correct - it doesn't follow the rules of pinyin, juyutping or Wade-Giles, more likely a Malay interpretation based on their phonetic system. Philg88 ^♦talk 13:14, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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