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List of Dutch loanwords in Indonesian

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Ehrmagerd, werds! As interesting as I find this, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. PepperBeast (talk) 12:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rayyanza Malik Ahmad

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Another case of WP:INVALIDBIO. Child's notability is solely attributed to their parent, and it's highly unlikely for a two-year-old to have achieved notable accomplishments. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Buni Yani

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This sounds like a case of WP:BLP1E. This guy is the deputy chairman of a minuscule (.5%< of the vote and no seats in any assembly whatsoever) far-right party. Occasionally, he has additionally received coverage as part of his political party, but this is probably WP:INHERITED notability. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Agree on WP:BLP1E. This individual primary notability stems from uploading an edited and defamatory video, as evidenced in the article about the November 2016 Jakarta protests. His involvement in politics, journalism, or academics is not as notable as the case in the first sentence and does not meet the relevant notability criteria. Ckfasdf (talk) 04:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

comment - component parts of the complexity of Indonesian politics is in my reference of understanding where and why something sits, is very different from the nominator and seconder - and to choose this to delete compared to other items may meet or not notability - so be it, but the details and components of the November 2016 events to me do have inherent notability regardless. In some cases in Indonesian history of the last 1400 years, a single act can be the key component of a whole range of subsequent things, which of course runs counter to WP:BLP1E. Needless to say if it goes, it would be well worth checking the November 2016 article for anything that might be carried over. JarrahTree 04:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cakka Nuraga

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Does not appear to meet the GNG, with relatively light sourcing mostly focusing on The Finest Tree. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Streaming sites are what i find, this appears PROMO. The sourcing used in the article now isn't the best Oaktree b (talk) 01:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - being on YouTube isn't automatic notability. If someone can find and insert better sources, it would be a HEY keep. Bearian (talk) 16:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article was started in 2013 by a very low edit short duration editor, and just this month edited by an editor using the name of the article. I would have voted delete, but the edit history doesnt help - as the entity/subject still exists - Bearian suggestion of better sources, should get someone enthusiastic to check - preferably not by an editor with a user name same as the subject JarrahTree 05:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supir Istimewa

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There is no evidence this film meets WP:NFILM. The only coverage I can find of this film is listings in film catalogs and promotion for the film. EDIT: To clarify a bit here, there are seven sources in this article. After a search I was able to find one more (Varia), although it is only mentioned once. That gives us 8 candidate sources. Of these, two are promotional (brochure, and De Locomotief). Two are film catalogs (Kristanto 2007, Biran 1979) and so do not establish notability, one is a list of an actor's filmography. This leaves two sources, Vara and Kentaja. The Vara article seems to only mention the film in passing but lets assume generously it passes. The last source is... weird ~~(describing a film released 3 years before as a "new film"?) and frankly~~ I wouldn't trust it, ~~especially~~ since it is unverifiable. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Nominator has failed to explain how the existing sources in the article do not demonstrate notability -- this is a common pattern with their nominations for Indonesian film articles. Jfire (talk) 15:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't cast aspersions here. I went over every single source here, in addition to looking at google books, and news. If you have any concerns about any source in particular that you may think is notable, please feel free to raise it, and I will tell you what my opinion on it was. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I see no reason to dismiss the 2 books quoted. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what two books specifically you are referring to here, could you elaborate? Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kristanto 2007, Biran 1979. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, I actually looked at Biran 1979, and it only provides tangential coverage of the movie in two spots, both of which are talking about the careers of people who were involved in the other works. I don't have access to Kristanto 2007, but given its similar topical focus, I'm not very confident it will be much better. Allan Nonymous (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I think the Biran book What and Who: Film Figures in Indonesia, 1926–1978 is a solid source. I also think the nominator is being too hasty in dismissing the Kentjana review (New Film: Supir Istimewa). For one thing, the date isn't three years off — both the film and the review are dated 1954. And more importantly, the nominator's statement "I wouldn't trust it, especially since it is unverifiable" is not backed up by policy. I don't believe that Kentjana has been evaluated before as a reliable source or not, so "I wouldn't trust it" is a personal feeling rather than a rationale. Furthermore, WP:OFFLINE explains why offline sources are just as good as sources that are currently convenient to access online. The editor who added that information to the article apparently had access to a 1954 Indonesian film review, and I have no reason to suspect that editor of inventing the source out of thin air. Toughpigs (talk) 21:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about Kentjana, I screwed up the date there. Will strike that. I was more worried about the lack of catalog number than about the lack of access. Allan Nonymous (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - When I get home from Toronto I can see if I still have my scans of the 1950s articles, but when I wrote the article I did have them. Furthermore, Persari distributed its films nationally, and frankly that alone satisfies WP:NFO, point 1 (Delpher may have listings of screenings if Allan wishes to verify, but their coverage is spotty for the 1950s). The fact that Indonesia has not digitized its magazines to the same extent as western nations is not evidence of a lack of notability; it is evidence that any sources available are going to be offline and difficult to verify for anyone without access to Perpusnas or Sinematek Indonesia. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for the catalog sources: Biran 1979 is a compendium of brief biographies that he compiled for a government project, and is used here for citing biographic data (what the main stars did subsequently). Kristanto 2007 (and Filmindonesia.or.id, which is a digital continuation of the catalogue) is the most recent printed edition of Kristanto's film catalogue, and is used for uncontroversial information that is also supported by primary sources. Neither is used to ascribe notability to the film. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have copied the Kentjana source to Google Drive in a zip file, if anyone wishes to consult it (I also found an excellent image of Netty Herawaty behind the scenes on Lewat Djam Malam, so definitely worth the dive into these old rephotographs). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per Chris explanations above. My capacity to access any sources available are going to be offline and difficult to verify for anyone without access to Perpusnas or Sinematek Indonesia is a time thing - due to my access to materials - weekly at the most.JarrahTree 05:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mustika Ibu

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I wasn't able to find any notable coverage of this film, or anything beyond a few passing references at film festivals and what I believe are excerpts of the biography and a coverage at a film festival. Hence there may a weak WP:NFILM (3.) case here but given the problems of the award show [here] I don't think it is enough to establish notability criterion. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep: The Indonesian Film Festival awards appear to be enough for NFILM 3. It's very likely that this also has SIGCOV in offline sources. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Significant awards. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:58, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per above, Indonesian Film Festival is significant award ceremony, but yea... given this film is released almost 50 years ago, looking for online references for this movie is really challenging. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per reasons given so far, understanding also Ckfasdf point JarrahTree 05:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prosus Inten

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This company seems to fail WP:GNG given that there is only one notable news source for this company, and what seems to be an advertisement. Allan Nonymous (talk) 01:17, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [1]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian topic and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [2] [3]. Also there's another source about the topic [4], [5], [6]. 202.43.93.9 (talk) 03:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This organization is one of cram school in Indonesia. Cram schools generally lack significant coverage, and this one is no exception. So, it does not meet the criteria outlined in WP:NSCHOOL. Ckfasdf (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, 2 references in the article are list of cram schools and promotional material for this cram school. Ckfasdf (talk) 08:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aedy Moward

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Can't seem to find any other sources on this guy besides the one Tempo article, which is an obit. Hence, unless somebody can find better sources of this guy's career, he fails WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 01:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about the two book sources that are cited? In multiple AFDs, you seem to be discounting those without explanation. Jfire (talk) 03:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [7]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian subject and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [8] [9]. Also for your information, an obituary is a biography [10]. And there's a plenty of sources about the subject [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], and more. 202.43.93.9 (talk) 04:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pls maintain civility and no attacks! All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 10:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Clearly passes NACTOR through roles in Darah dan Doa, Enam Djam di Jogja, Oma Irama Penasaran, Lewat Djam Malam, Raja Dangdut, Si Mamad and Embun. Probably also passes GNG through sources in article. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 11:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Just open the G Books link....Can we please stop with those Afds about notable Indonesian actors?-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:NACTOR per above, and I fear a lack of due diligence before nominating. (reworded for civility) Toadspike (talk) 14:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To address your WP:BEFORE concerns here, I did take a look at Google Books here. The coverage on google books seemed to be largely tangential (getting mentioned on one page of a book on something else) or part of group coverage (film festivals). While it is true that there is a case for WP:NACTOR, it is not clear whether the actor in question really had "notable" roles in these films (given his characters almost never appear on the plot summaries), it may have been the case that he played secondary characters. This is one of the reasons I created AfD, to asses the notability of his roles and whether they are "significant". Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moward is listed as starring in all of the films mentioned above. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 22:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources in the article are also enough for GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 22:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, I only listed films that currently have articles on English Wikipedia. Moward has starred in many more. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for better explaining your argument. I now understand your point of view better and acknowledge that this case is not very clear-cut.

The book in question appears to be a biographical dictionary of Indonesian film. Unfortunately, from Google Books, I cannot see his full entry; the table of contents shows it is less than one page long. But that Moward has his own entry means, for notability purposes, this is more than a "tangential" mention in a "book on something else" – this is a deliberate inclusion in a list of people significant to Indonesian film.

His winning a Citra Award for Best Supporting Actor, the highest honor in Indonesian film, speaks against the idea that he only played minor, insignificant characters, and he might even qualify under the first criteria of WP:ANYBIO. Toadspike (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Toadspike: No attacks following this thread I am disappointed in nom's lack of due diligence. Maintain WP's civility and if you have any issue with the editor, try sorting it out in the editors talk page and not on AFDs! All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 10:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies to the nominator, I realize that was excessively harsh. Toadspike (talk) 10:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:NACTOR. Toughpigs (talk) 21:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per toadspike and toughpigs JarrahTree 05:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eva Devi

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The two sources listed here (one being a Who's Who) are not enough to establish the diverse coverage WP:GNG, and a quick search finds little on her. Allan Nonymous (talk) 21:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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:Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [17]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian subject and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [18] [19]. Also there's another sources about the subject [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25]. 202.43.93.9 (talk) 03:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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— Removed per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The sources in the article along with this and this should be enough for GNG. At the very least, it's very likely that there is SIGCOV in offline sources. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 09:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally, there appears to be SIGCOV of her in this and this. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Devi probably passes NACTOR as well. She starred in Senyum Nona Anna (coverage here), Papa, Mistery in Hongkong, Pulau Putri, Kenapa Kau Pergi and Jurus Maut. She also starred in Mei Lan, Aku Cinta Padamu, which according to this launched the career of Hendra Cipta. It's likely that these films have SIGCOV in offline sources. It's a shame that that's unverifiable though. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 10:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: An article about an Indonesian actress and model with unverifiable notability. On English wiki, every statement must be verifiable by at least a reliable source. Here, the films listed weren't sources and won't count to NACTOR. There has no been any recognition or I influence cited by peer for acting in Indonesia films; infact BEFORE have nothing except existence on books which still commutes non notability per SIGCOV. I won't rather vote for now since I am not used or neither speaks Indonesian language (there may be existing but I have clear doubts because the article I saw on ID Wikipedia cited no source.) This is not also a case of System bias, while I can't find maybe two successive citations to her impact in the 1990's or an interview in the 2000's on her role. On the other hand, I will say delete for now. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 10:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mutiara Baswedan

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This article was marked with notability concerns a month ago and looking at the articles cited, it seems that she is primarily notable for being the daughter of a governor/presidential candidate, which I think means she fails WP:GNG because she is not notable on her own. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. Another case of WP:INVALIDBIO, as her notability is tied to her father. I proposed to redirect this article to Anies Baswedan#Family. Ckfasdf (talk) 21:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [26]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian subject and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [27] [28]. 202.43.93.9 (talk) 03:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This subject is listed as an educator, but their background does not satisfy WP:NPROF. Notability, if any, would rest on other criteria. Qflib (talk) 02:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

University of Muhammadiyah Aceh

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There is only one source and it is clearly not notable, searching for the university also seems not to have produced anything notable. Hence, it likely fails WP:GNG Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. Muhammadiyah is a notable religious organization in Indonesia and it's also operate several universities, which some of them have dedicated article on WP. However, due to its lower level of notability compared to other universities affiliated with Muhammadiyah. So I suggest to redirect it to Muhammadiyah#Universities. Ckfasdf (talk) 20:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amelia De La Rama

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This one is sort of on the edge here but, after a search, I found one article (an opinion) online, in addition to the articles here which seem to only make references to her in passing (as the wife of Sukarno). She does seem to notable for appearing in two films but in secondary roles. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [29]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian subject and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [30] [31]. 202.43.93.9 (talk) 03:46, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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— Removed per WP:SOCKSTRIKE

Keep: this, this, this and this should be enough for GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 12:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There's also this, this and this. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 12:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I saw these articles during my search, but again, they almost all refer to her in the context of being Sukarno's wife outside of the Philstar article, which has a disclaimer on it that it cannot vouch for the original source (this isn't to say it's bad, but verifying the orginal source, to make sure it isn't paid coverage should probably be done). The three newspaper articles ~~are WP:LOCALCOVERAGE, so~~ I'm not sure they qualify for WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  WP:AUD applies to companies, and requires at least one source that is at least regional in coverage. The articles in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin should be enough to pass that. The Historia article also discusses her film career. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 22:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The problem here is that these articles again only seem to cover her in the context of being Sukarno's wife, which still doesn't fix the WP:1E issue. You were right on WP:LOCALCOVERAGE tho, I will strike that. Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The Philstar and the Historia articles both discuss her film career, which I feel is enough to show that BLP1E doesn't apply. Additionally, she probably has SIGCOV in offline sources. The Philstar article points to a magazine article from 1956, long before she'd married Sukarno. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 23:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moesa Pancho

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The tempo articles are advertisements, and the rest seem to be largely copies of that advertisement. Hence, seems to fail WP:GNG Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [32]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian subject and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [33] [34]. And there also other notable sources from CNN and a book that was cited in the article [35] [36] 202.43.93.9 (talk) 03:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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— Struck per WP:SOCKSTRIKE Allan Nonymous (talk) 02:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perang Sosoh Pedekik 1949

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There are only two sources for this film. One does not seem to mention the film by name, and one seems to be a local government website. Hence, I do not think it passes WP:NFILM, or WP:GNG Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Do not met notability requirements as outlined in WP:NFILM. Ckfasdf (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [37]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian article and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [38] [39]. 202.43.93.9 (talk) 03:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Irena Justine

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Fails WP:GNG, most of these sources barely seem to qualify this person as notable. Allan Nonymous (talk) 01:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree, the article subject doesn’t meet notability requirements. Nate Higgers (talk) 02:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. And improve with the help of the (WP) pages in Indonesian about her and the films/series she played in, and that seem to show she meets WP:NACTOR although she died young.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:25, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. According to WP:NACTOR, the individual must have had substantial roles in various notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. However, the person in question does not meet this requirement, as they have never portrayed lead roles or appeared in notable films. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:*Keep There is no indication that the nominator has done WP:BEFORE before creating a deletion page [40]. He also lack the ability to understand about Indonesian subject and notability of sources used in the article as he did here in other nomination page that he created [41] [42]. 202.43.93.9 (talk) 03:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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David S. Liem

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There is no notability claim in the article other than a those related to postdoctoral work on hepatology and that the a frog (Taudactylus liemi)) was named after him. WP:NACADEMIC isn't met (unsurprising given that most of his career is outside of academia), and there are no other claims. I haven't been able to find other material supporting notability for this David Liem. Klbrain (talk) 21:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, while I acknowledge the current scarcity of sources provided for David Liem's Wikipedia article, it's important to consider the context in which the article was created. At the time of its creation, my primary focus was on promptly documenting Liem's contributions, particularly his discovery of the Rheobatrachus silus species. This urgency made me reach the realization that including Liem's page would complete and improve the species' article. Sources probably exist out there and we shouldn’t just delete it per WP:NPOSSIBLE. V.B.Speranza (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I must address the procedural concerns surrounding the deletion request. The unilateral decision to move the article to a different page (Eungella tinker frog) without prior consultation or discussion is concerning and goes against the collaborative nature of Wikipedia. Subsequently proposing the deletion of the article without engaging in constructive dialogue further exacerbates this issue as the person that nominated the article for deletion seems to have done it spontaneously. V.B.Speranza (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry that this is all a bit blunt V.B.Sepanza, and thanks for your contributions to the project. The move was part of the new page patrol protocol which doesn't include or expect consultation prior to moves; I marked the move as bold, and don't mind being reversed. The next step, having been reversed, is to seek wider views here given that if the merge isn't a suitable alternative to deletion, then deletion seems the way forward. Thanks for adding your views as the page creator. Klbrain (talk) 07:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Klbrain: Your deletion nomination brings 0 benefits to the community, Wikipedians seem to only care about known stuff while advocating for the contrary. The page is a direct translation of the German page that originates from the French page (created in 2009). V.B.Speranza (talk) 22:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete GS cites inadequate in a high-cited field and the frog is not enough. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. I don't think taxonomy is a high-citation field; the nomination seems to confuse hepatology (a high-citation medical specialty) with herpetology (the study of reptiles and amphibians, his actual work area). Regardless, he doesn't have enough citations even in a low-citation field to make a convincing case for WP:PROF#C1 and there seems to be nothing else. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the typo! Klbrain (talk) 08:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:NPROF.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trinity Optima Production

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Doesn't meet notability requirements per WP:CORP. I tried to encourage user to fix that multiple times before moving out of draft space, but was ignored multiple times. Edit history has been broken so much I dont think a merge is even possible anymore due to copy+paste moves and redirects even if the result was keep. Q ^{T C} 18:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ Draftify and salt While I could find plenty of results for them, they were all are either passing mentions of working with a musician, [43] [44] or primarily based on press releases or interviews. [45] [46] [47] [48] none of which would help to meet WP:NCORP. The edit history just seems to be a mess and while I wouldn't be opposed to draftification, I'm not sure how much of an option that is when it's been created despite prior draftification and no changes to improve it. Shaws username . talk . 16:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've changed from deleting, it doesn't feel right to advocate deletion when I don't speak the language and can't do the same level of WP:BEFORE. However I'm still sceptical that it could meet WP:NCORP, most of the sources (including those below) contain significant sections of quotes from the CEO, when WP:SIRS says it should be completely independent, and some have more about OTT is than the company. Given that it's been draftified three times and probably been copy and pasted moved to mainspace each time, salting would seem to be necessary to prevent that again. Shaws username . talk . 05:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Draft: This recording company has received significant coverage from major Indonesian news outlets such as detik.com, Republika, Kontan, Bisnis Indonesia, Investor Daily, and many more... It's not difficult to find Indonesia sources for this company. IMO it should pass WP:CORP requirements, However, given the current condition of the article, it might be more suitable to move it to draft rather than keep it on as article in WP. Ckfasdf (talk) 03:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Indonesian-language source material found by Ckfasdf indicates a GNG pass, and articles on noteworthy topics should be improved rather than removed. I don't have much confidence that the draftified article would ever return to mainspace, and the encyclopedia is less complete with this subject uncovered. Chubbles (talk) 19:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Subject meets GNG, AfD is not cleanup, and I don't see inaccurate nor promotional prose that needs to be removed. Therefore I don't see the point in moving to draft. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 03:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify as suggested. It might be notable, but I can't tell from this unsourced mess. Bearian (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I am not comfortable enough to vote but Billboard described them as "one of Indonesia’s biggest local labels" and the Asian Theatre Journal (ProQuest 214407259) stated they (Dian Records) were "one of Indonesia's largest audiocassette production companies". S0091 (talk) 16:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Siti Zainab

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The article underwent AfD discussions in July 2023, leading to a "soft delete." However, it was reinstated in December 2023 by the same article creator, confirmed as a sockpuppet. Despite its restoration, the article fails to address the issues that prompted its removal in July 2023, particularly regarding WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Notably, in the Filmography section, nearly all entries list her as uncredited. The one exception where she is credited only features her in a supporting role. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment found her obituary which maybe can help in adding some content to the page https://www.forevermissed.com/siti-zainab/about Hi Bree! (talk) 09:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)Comment struck per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Ckfasdf (talk) 02:45, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't think of any good reason for this article to stay.

Allan Nonymous (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Given that she received an in-depth profile in Aneka magazine (well, based on the amount of information, three or four pages - the maximum to expect from such magazines in the 1950s) it is likely that contemporary magazines gave her coverage as well. Unfortunately, most such magazines have not been made available digitally. Also, there was another actress billed simply as "Zainab" active in Indonesia in the 1950s (born in 1933, rather than 1935, and appearing in films such as Tiga Dara; source: Biran, Apa dan Siapa Film Indonesia, 1979), and so finding sources online would be difficult.

Please note that I was canvassed off Wikipedia. As such, I am not !voting. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:NACTOR, an individual may be deemed notable if they have played significant roles in numerous noteworthy films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. However, this doesn't apply to this person and the other "Zainab," as they are credited as uncredited in both films they appear in. Ckfasdf (talk) 23:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never said that she met NACTOR; indeed, as you point out, she did not play significant roles in these films (I'm unfamiliar with Singaporean cinema, and can't speak to the significance or noteworthiness of the films themselves). Those comments pointed to the possibility that she met GNG, if access to older records were possible. Overall, and personally, I'm leaning delete myself. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails NACTOR and ANYBIO. If we can't locate sourcing, then we delete. The namespace may be resurrected if sources are found. BusterD (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yusra Alhabsyi

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No indication of importance person. All the sources not a reliable sources.. Stvbastian (talk) 05:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Can you clarify why you think the sources in the article are not reliable? They seem reliable from a glance; whether they provide WP:SIGCOV or not is another matter. Curbon7 (talk) 23:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm admittedly not an expert in Indonesian politics, but he appears to hold a seat in an Indonesian provincial legislature, and thus would pass WP:NPOL #1 right on its face. I'm willing to reconsider if I'm wrong about what the North Sulawesi Regional People's Representative Council is, but provincial legislators are important topics for us to have articles about — so the article can be tagged for ((refimprove)) if you feel strongly that the sourcing isn't adequate, but there's no such thing as a non-notable provincial legislator. Bearcat (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indonesia is a unitary state (not federal) so typically membership of a subnational legislature would not meet NPOL#1, unless this is a Spain-like situation where the provinces have tremendous autonomy. I am also not well-versed in Indonesian politics so do not know if this is the case. Curbon7 (talk) 22:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Hi Curbon7 and Bearcat.. For sources, in Indonesia, we have some well-known newspaper that usually used in Wikipedia article such as: Antara, Kompas, Detik, and Jakarta Post (has been proven to be verified by the editor before publication). Sources in that article not a well-known source. Source #1 is a primary source. And why i said "no indication of importance person" because the main article of the Provinicial Parliament page is a redlink --> North Sulawesi Regional People's Representative Council, and this person did not make a big impact in the provincial politics, has not provided any achievements in other fields, so it does not receive enough attention from reliable media.'Thank u Stvbastian (talk) 03:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Only members of the National House of Representatives are presumed notable per WP:NPOL, not members of regional houses. Therefore, the coverage requirements outlined in WP:SIGCOV apply to the this person, in which he falls short. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete does not satisfy WP:NPOL, Indonesia's provincial representative bodies are akin to municipal councils (administrative powers, rather than legislative), with the exception of Aceh (there's a possible case for the West Papuan ones, but that is much weaker IMHO). I do not see any sourcing satisfying the GNG. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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