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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 14:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RedSpotGames[edit]

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no real notability shown for this company. sources provided show no significant coverage in independent reliable sources and none found with significant coverage. nothing satisfying wp:corp. New article recreation at RedSpotGames (with caps) instead of redspotgames (no caps as they write it) appears to be an attempt to bypass the salting of the real title, which if memory serves correct was also recreated as a subsection of Dreamcast-Scene as another attempt to bypass the salt, with a redirect created with caps. (Speedy deletion from G4 declined, see talk page, different enough from original article.) duffbeerforme (talk) 15:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete - no significant coverage from reliable sources. --Teancum (talk) 22:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also there are several videos of their game fair shows available:

^--Cube b3 (talk) 17:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've warned the editor here.[2] In the meantime, 68.185.90.190, I'd appreciate it if you focused on whether this article's topic is notable. In particular, I've provided a list of secondary sources which seemed to address the main complaint about the article. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Maturion is possibly a puppet as he is a dcemulation.org user. He likely came here from the topic linked above. http://dcemulation.org/?title=User:Maturion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.90.190 (talk) 18:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am a DC Emulation user as well, it is a community of very passionate Dreamcast users, just like the passion wikipedians have to write articles, this is significant to us and DC Emulation alone is a community with over 10,000 members [1]--Cube b3 (talk) 20:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Claiming I am a puppet because I am registered at a particular forum is pretty poor. And no, although I am a registered user over there, I didn't come from this forum, nor did anyone ask me to join this discussion. By the way, don't you have any other points that justify the deletion of redspotgames except that we all may be puppets? The reasons for the proposed deletion are all disproven:

I'd call that MORE than enough independet, reliable sources with enough significant coverage. The article may need some editing, though.--Maturion (talk) 21:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • The games have received that coverage. The company, independent from the games is in question. I'm not chiming in with a keep or delete as this topic doesn't interest me, but just be clear that game coverage with a mention of the publisher/dev is not the same as independent coverage for either company. --Teancum (talk) 02:28, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Duffbeerforme: Can you please be a little more specific? Are you saying that these sources don't provide significant coverage? Are you saying that they're not reliable or that they're not independent? I'm not sure what your specific objection is. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 11:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is a mixture. Articles about their games with just a passing mention of redspotgames (gamespot, gamepro, 1up, computerandvideogames, gamesradar, kotaku), reproduction of press releases (computerandvideogames, kotaku), trivial announcements (wired, 1up, computerandvideogames, inside-games), plain trivial trivial (engadget), blogs (gamespot, tgdaily, computerandvideogames, gamesradar), user comments (gameinformer), themselves talking about themselves (youtube). There is some more overlap where I think the sorces belong. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Duffbeerforme: Both articles from Computer and Video games are not press releases.[3][4] A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 12:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But I can see what you mean in that most of these articles are fairly short. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sources that are actually mainly about redspotgames itself:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/21/redspotgames-looking-to-continue-publishing-for-dreamcast/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-XRNuVFKiE
Comment: Just quoting User:duffbeerforme: While it may look like I'm after your articles I'm actually targeting articles related to redspotgames
--Maturion (talk) 11:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Youtube ref is redspotgames talking about themselves, not independent. joystiq is on the trivial size, is promotional and is on "media of limited interest" (WP:CORP, audience). As for the quote ([5]), I was at that time as wikipedia is not a means of promotion and that's what all these articles came across as (combined with the history of recreation of articles). duffbeerforme (talk) 14:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Stop telling nonsense, please. They've been invited to a TV show to tell more about themselves. That's not a video from redspotgames. Actually, 3sat is one of the most popular TV channels in Germany and can be received by 80 million households in whole Europe. Joystiq is not on the trivial size, even if you claim so, something different is the case. It's the 1,534th ([6]) most visited website in the world, meaning that it gets at least several hundred thousands if not millions of pageviews a day. The website of Handelsblatt, one of Germany's best known newspapers is on #2,694 [7] --Maturion (talk) 20:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Meant the joysiq reference, not the site itself. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 20:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep

We start round 2 now: redspotgames is a video game publisher, distributor and promoter based in Munich Germany. Established in 2005, the company is known for publishing new games for the long discontinued Sega Dreamcast video game system, recently redspotgames have also branched off publishing to digital services such as X-Box Live and Nintendo WiiWare. The company has been present at international trade events such as Gamescom, their games have advertised and promoted on National TV shows in multiple countries. German TV show Neus revealed their latest game Sturmwind. Australian TV show Good Game on ABC Australia reviewd Rush Rush Rally Racing--Cube b3 (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The Company lacks of notability.--79.235.100.74 (talk) 20:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC) — 79.235.100.74 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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