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The result was Delete all except Lily Pond Avenue, which is no consensus with no prejudice against renomination. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 18:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reid Avenue[edit]

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Reid Avenue is another short residential street in Staten Island that has no meaning to anyone except those living there. The "landmarks" in the article are not actually NYC landmarks, but local businesses and points of interest. Having one city bus route on the street does not make it any more notable since almost every street in Staten Island has at least one local and/or express bus route serving it due to lack of rail service. Searching "Reid Avenue" on Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc. only comes up real estate sites, travel guides, and police reports, nothing that proves its significane to the city. I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all tiny, insignificant, residential streets with irrelevant sources (i.e. they are about homes and places on the streets, not the streets themselves), all created by the same editor, who based on his user name, is obviously a huge Staten Island fan and does not seem to understand that while these streets may be important for his personal use, they are not as important to the rest of the world:

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 02:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:17, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per result at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Avenue. That is the same situation repeated here. Imzadi 1979 → 19:02, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all – While as a resident that lives near Staten Island, the only one I could see surviving (very very unlikely) is Lily Pond. I am not going to argue it however. Noticeably of the template, I'd only keep the following: Arthur Kill, Father Capodanno, Clove, Forest (already part of ex-NY 439), Hylan, Richmond Avenue, Slosson, Todt Hill and Victory (ex-NY 439A). The rest can go in my book. Mitch32^{(There is a destiny that makes us... family.)} 19:30, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all except Lily Pond Avenue per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Madison_Street_(Manhattan) - a two-way bus route is a busy area is notable. Bearian (talk) 23:43, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. City streets are generally below our threshold of importance unless there's something really remarkable/unique about the street that would merit inclusion. I wouldn't consider a bus route unusual enough to establish that the street is worthy of an article. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 05:21, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - Nothing special about these streets. Dough 48 72 18:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Scott, I agree with everyone else that almost all of these streets are not notable, but the Lily Pond article is (1) sourced well, and (2) shows notability, for example, as a "primary artery", "is the middle leg of Staten Island's coastal eastern corridor," it intersects several major arteries, and has at least one landmark. Finally no less than seven buses have routes on at least part of Lily Pond. I think that's enough, and it has been the consensus in the past. Bearian (talk) 18:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Folks, I understand that some of these articles are not notable, but it took me just a few clicks to find out many more reliable sources about Lily Pond Ave. Bearian (talk) 19:33, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Midland Avenue is also somewhat notable for the same reasons as I have argued above, and I would also endorse keeping that one, too. Midland Ave. has a elementary school, a major church, and several bus routes on it. Bearian (talk) 19:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Berian, those sources you added to the Lily Pond Avenue article are reliable, but still not enough to merit an article for the street. One little accident, even if it was fatal, does not make it notable and those books you added do not have any critical moments happening on the avenue, just characters driving or playing on it. Also, the express buses that run on this avenue only have one stop along it and a look on Google Maps show that Lily Pond Avenue appears to be part of Father Capodanno Boulevard with its sole purpose being to connect it with the Staten Island Expressway, Verazzano-Narrows Bridge, and the areas directly to north, so if anything, it can be merged or redirected to that article instead. As for Midland Avenue, bare notability is not enough to merit a Wikipedia article. It may be important to those living near or around it, but not the rest of the world. Having an elementary school or local church does not make the street notable, especially if they are not well known, and there are dozens of other streets around the city that have several bus routes running on them and we do not have articles on them. Buses are meant to transport people to and from residential areas that have no rail service, so if people living in a particular street usually go to many different areas, there would be many different bus routes running there. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 21:28, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Schools, churches, and bus routes do not necessarily make a road notable. Dough 48 72 16:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Schools, churches, and bus routes may or may not be notable themselves, but they don't transfer that notability onto the street. Any street, major or minor, can have one or more of those. (One street in the town I went to school at carried six bus routes...not because it was a particularly interesting street, but because it was just the most logical route from the school to Highway 24). Accidents don't really confer notability in and of themselves—all roads are bound to have an accident some day, even M-185—I would only consider it germane if it was an well-known accident that got a lot of press coverage (i.e. more than just a short "there was an accident on 42nd Street today" blurb) or if it was something directly attributable to some unique feature of the road (e.g. its geometry). What we should be looking at is not necessarily what is on the street but what role it plays in the city. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 03:43, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Far too many of these street names are too generic and disambiguous. When I see names like Old Town Road, my first thought it a long local street running between Coram and Setauket, New York that originally spanned as far south as Brookhaven (CDP), New York, and contains part of the Tallmadge Trail. Having said that, I still think the info from these articles could be spread out to others. ----DanTD (talk) 12:17, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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