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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Carr (pianist)

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This article does not meet WP:MUSICBIO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.120.181.200 (talk) 04:04, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note Request AfD in WT:AFD, I am neutral in this AfD Hhkohh (talk) 04:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 07:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 07:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete His CDs are self-produced, and of the sources he is reviewed in, it seems that only one is listed in Wikipedia, and even then he is not in their Top 10 list of albums. The New Age Voice's Top 100 and Zone Music Reporter's radio charts are certainly not national music charts, nor are there links to check that he was actually on them. Doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as he passes at least criteria 1 of WP:NMUSIC and therefore WP:GNG with significant coverage in reliable sources such as this reasonably long biography at AllMusic here as well as professional Allmusic critics reviews of three of his albums and he also has reliable sources book coverage as already referenced on the article, and there is probably more as I haven't dine a full search Atlantic306 (talk) 18:53, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The two books by Howard Mancing referenced in the article give Mr. Carr literally no more than a passing mention within a list of all the musical works Mr. Mancing has found which mention Don Quixote. That seems to leave the AllMusic reviews as the only reliable source found so far, and WP:NMUSIC requires multiple different sources, not just one. I must say that the AllMusic reviews of Mr. Carr's works aren't very well written, well below the usual standard of AllMusic journalists. Richard3120 (talk) 20:23, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No significant coverage of this artist. Self published CDs that haven't made any significant charts. 99.203.16.127 (talk) 13:58, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The previous edit was only the third edit by that ip. Allmusic has significant coverage in the bio linked above and 3 reviews, will supply more coverage tomorrow, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 21:45, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- 51 monthly listeners. Please note that this "artist" has 51 monthly listeners on Spotify. Not 51,000. Not even 5,100. 51. And I can see no data for this artist on Pandora. The non-notability of this artist doesn't even seem up for debate. 173.13.199.153 (talk) 11:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Spotify and Pandora are not reliable sources and cater predominantly to more youth oriented artists. Ihavent finished sourcesearching so can this AFD please continue, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 19:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

- - Stating that Pandora and Spotify cater to youth-oriented artists is irrelevant and misguided. If Richard Carr is a contemporary of people like David Nevue or Michele McLaughlin, why do they have 60k+ listeners when he has literally 51. Yes, listener-counts can be relevant. You keep sourcesearching, but there's nothing to find. AllMusic isn't a reliable source.
  - I cannot believe this is even up for discussion. Is Richard Carr notable _as a musician_? Clearly not. He created an album about Quixote that received a passing mention in one publication, and somehow you think this makes him worthy of inclusion on wikipedia. He's won zero awards and doesn't meet music inclusion guidelines with his self-published albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:CA00:159:2BB9:62C4:274A:9A8B:CCFC (talk) 16:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Allmusic is a very reliable source, see this list of music reliable sources in which it is included Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:19, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I can't find any suitable sources, and I can't see any way this article could be written to be not basically promotional. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are the problem but I don't see why it couldn't be rewritten using the long Allmusic bio but more sources are needed, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:19, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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