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The result was delete. Vanamonde (talk) 17:32, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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FAILS WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. Middle-Top level manager that is not notable enough. The sources are too weak, routine announcements press releases and passing mentions. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:20, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Transworld Group (Emirati company) where he's the Joint managing director of the company, As there's a whole management section there it makes sense to redirect., –Davey2010^Talk 20:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Not a "Middle-Top level manager", but a top-level manager. Of an enormous company. Clearly notable enough for an article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:46, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Necrothesp: he was taken on almost straight from college with a simple BSc by his father to enter the family business and was made a director of the board 2 years after that at the age of 25. The achievement of obtaining a top level post thanks to this kind of nepotism has to be taken into consideration and the sources have to be analysed. The other joint managing director is also a family member. Notability is not inherited unlike good jobs in family businesses. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Really? I give you Chelsea Clinton! Notable purely because daddy ran a notable entity and unlike Ramakrishnan not actually involved with it in any way in a management capacity! And she's just one of many examples. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:59, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, really. The Chelsea Clinton page is without a shadow of a doubt sufficiently sourced which this one is not. Your keep argument WP:Clearly notable was purely based on his role in the company and not on the sources and is normally one of the !votes that should be avoided in Afd. Not all managers and even CEOs of notable companies are themselves notable. This person fails WP:ANYBIO and as there are no topic specific guidelines for business people they have to meet GNG and I do not believe this person does. I checked out likely outcomes for business people WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE and there is nothing that suggests his role (even if it weren't obtained through nepotism) is a surefire keep so sources have to be looked at in depth. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yet you're arguing above that people shouldn't have pages just because they get roles due to their family connections! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You may have misunderstood me, that was not what I was saying. I was saying in reply to your !vote that a top-level manager. Of an enormous company. Clearly notable enough for an article. is that a top role in a company is less notable if obtained by nepotism and we shouldn't just imagine that because he is a joint managing director that he must have got there because of his capabilites experience and hard work which may generate coverage. But all of that is of no consequence because managing directors don't get a free pass to notability however big the company, what counts are the sources. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED--Dom from Paris (talk) 09:57, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't misunderstand you at all. I just don't agree with you ("Not all managers and even CEOs of notable companies are themselves notable"; I agree that not all managers are notable by a long shot, but CEOs are, and a managing director is a CEO, of course). And I was pointing out that we have countless articles on people who are only notable because of their families. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:09, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he is CEO of this company as per the organigram of the company here. [1]. The CEO is a chap called Captain Leslie Reis and despite what you suggest I don't think all CEOs are notable as far as I can see unless there are notability guidelines that I have missed, could you point me to them please. Have you had a chance to look at the sources BTW? --Dom from Paris (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BTW when I said "Not all managers and even CEOs of notable companies are themselves notable" I was paraphrasing WP:BUSINESSPERSONOUTCOME which says:

• Presidents, chef executive officers and chairpersons of the boards of directors of companies listed in the Fortune 500 (US) or the FTSE 100 Index (UK) are generally kept as notable.
• Biographical material on heads and key figures of smaller companies which are themselves the subject of Wikipedia articles are sometimes merged into those articles and the biographies redirected to the company.

--Dom from Paris (talk) 14:41, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete all the sources are more or less WP:PROMO, except for possibly [2] which reads like it came from a press release. I'm not even sure the business he leads (Transworld Group (Shipping and Logistic company)) is notable. That article has serious issues. I submitted it for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Transworld_Group_(Shipping_and_Logistic_company). I am also wondering if the chairman needs to go to AfD as well: Ramesh_Ramakrishnan. --David Tornheim (talk) 05:16, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom.∯WBG^converse 09:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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