The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Maxim_(talk) 02:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan J. Downey[edit]

Truthfully, my main problem with this article is that it's written by the subject and reads like it. In terms of Wikipedia policy, it's basically unsourced and probably unsourceable. P4k 05:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Seems pretty clear that it meets the criteria under WP:CSD#G11. --Mud4t 05:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. OK, he sang in a band that put out one album, and he did some interviews for MTV News, and now he manages some artists. Accomplished, especially for his age, but since nobody has really written about him, unnotable. Fails WP:BIO, half of article would fail WP:V. --Dhartung | Talk 06:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable bio. Keb25 06:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Vanity page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.205.40 (talk) 07:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete So he's a junket host-vegan-news host-talking head-animal activist-record exec-singer. Then why haven't I ever heard of him or think of him as notable through the lack of references? Pretty much you can reduce this to a ten-word article; Ryan Downey is a freelance journalist/indie label manager/artist. Honestly, reading this there's one thing he should do; take a freakin' vacation, he must be worn out! Nate 08:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or convert to stub. The subject is borderline notable, since there are ghits from MTV stories and interviews made by (not made to) the subject. However, the article was clearly expanded by the subject himself or someone close to him (the main contributor has the same name as his company). The Biography and Additional Facts sections are plain WP:OR and will never be verified, and its difficult to validate the appearances, credits and discography assertions (some may never be validated). The only sure salvageable piece is the intro, and even then it should be shortened per WP:A. - Mtmelendez ^{(Talk|UB|Home)} 11:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator. /Blaxthos 13:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete old-style vanity article of the sort we don't see very much anymore (that's a good thing). Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete Tagged ; meets WP:CSD#G11 . - Rjd0060 23:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I am unconvinced that this is really deserving of G11, but that being said, the WP:COI problems, that it is unsourced, and seeming vanity-page-like lead me to be convinced that it is certainly deserving of deletion. I am ignoring any idea of (non)notability. Nihiltres^(t.l) 02:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Yes, it's been written by its subject and needs Wikifying, but I think there's a reasonable case that he qualifies as notable under WP:BAND criteria (4) and (5) given his discography (lead singer of a notable band, more than one album released). Bondegezou 17:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notability isn't about what someone's done, it's about what reliable sources have reported they've done. In my experience it's pretty much impossible to find real sources about 90s hardcore bands (eg Catharsis) and I doubt Downey's band will be any different. If you can find sources for this article then more power to you.P4k 22:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nn vanity page. Carlossuarez46 00:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.