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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 10:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- S.V.S. Rathinam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
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self promotion/advt R.srinivaas (talk) 10:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
self promotion, not a notable person--R.srinivaas (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep -- 10,000 converts (even if in conjunction with another person); presidential gold medal. If correct, this sound like notability to me. The complaint does not seem to be that the content is inaccurate. I suspect the nom has an axe to grind, to remove notable Indian Christians nof an earlier generation. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep - there is certainly a claim to notability for this person. That Thomas Rathnam is not notable is irrelevant in the context of this article, and we have to assume good faith when it comes to other editors and their motivations. Most of the references do not appear to be reliable sources (which is an entirely different thing from being "bogus") but there may very well be other usable references; I do not read Tamil so can't find sources in that language. Please note that references do not have to be online, but they (obvously) have to exist in some form. In the interest of counteracting systemic bias it is important to include notable people outside the Western world - provided they are notable. --bonadea contributions talk 08:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Is this "gold medal from the president of India" a Presidential Gold Medal of India or something that we have an article on the award? Is there any evidence he received it? The 10,000 converts seems to be this man, the priest mentioned here, and maybe some others. Is there a reliable source covering conversions of the untouchables in India. I know in the mid-20th-century many of those left Hinduism for other religions in very large groups, enough that India has since tried to pass laws to discourage such, so in the context of the time and place 10,000 converts is not neccesarily that big a deal. I'm sure there were Catholic missionaries in 15th-century Mexico who baptized many more Native people than that who we have no articles on. There are published books on the history of Christianity in both Asia and India specifically, I started reading one on the later when a student at Wayne State University, but never finished it. These might be good places to look to see if there are any mentions of Rathinam and his work in converting people. Tamil sources might also be helpful if they are findable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:29, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The nomination is cryptic indeed, but there don't seem to be any English-language sources available online, nor any indication that offline or non-English sources exist. At the risk of stating the obvious, we can't really keep articles at AfD solely on the basis that they contain remarkable claims (e.g. having converted a large number of people or having received a certain award) – if those claims aren't verifiable, and in this case they don't seem to be, then they can't be used to establish notability. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:39, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Sources yet to be found. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete. No sources. There also seems to be some hoaxing going on on the internet concerning this family; see the rather crude "Mr. potato head" style photofits on this page for instance and the repeated recreation of Thomas Rathnam, a supposed descendent. I don't doubt this is a real person but that isn't helping to find sources and means we need to be particularly vigilant about verification in this case. I have no idea what the Tamil script is saying in the article that is supposedly the Tamil version of his name (Google translate comes up with nothing intelligble), but the shear length of it makes it pretty certain that it does not say "S.V.S. Rathinam". From the cover of his book I summise that "S.V.S. Rathinam" is "எஸ். வி. எஸ். இரத்தினம்" in Tamil. Hence I offer
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- However, not seeing anything useful there, so no easily accessible sources in Tamil either. Further, I think the major claim to importance of converting 10,000 christians is dubious. The article later says that he assisted Di Elbreil to convert 10,000. I am presuming that is the same 10,000. SpinningSpark 18:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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