The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Nomination failed to receive any support for deletion. There were several rational suggestions for possible merge or modification actions, which perhaps should continue to be discussed and pursued outside of AfD. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 01:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sambalpuri Region (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

WP:N, WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:COPYVIO, WP:ADVERT (For separation of 'Koshal' region from Orissa, India), Duplication.

Delete Article: Article seems like an extreme enthusiast’s essay without appropriate content. Other pages: Sambalpur as well as Sambalpur district already exist and include similar information with requisite level of detail, and under appropriate nomenclature. There is no need to duplicate information as it confuses reader. Article fails WP:N, no direct & relevant sources for claims and assertions have been given. Also article has WP:OR issue with several sentences, giving tone of POV. Multiple Copyvio issues are present.
-- soft dynamite (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The overlap question is interesting. I've worked some on the article (trying to tone down the POV language a bit) but am handicapped by not knowing the subject that well. Sambalpur and Sambalpur district are about a city and a district, that is, officially recognised areas; from what I thought I'd understood, the Sambalpuri region is not identical in boundaries to the Sambalpur district, but is a larger area in western Orissa. Is that a misunderstanding on my part? One of the problems with the article is the enthusiastic way the main contributor has added averything to do with the region, including text that would belong in different articles (and is sometimes already in other articles). Copyvio/OR/POV is also a prevailing problem but that doesn't necessarily mean the subject of the article is irrelevant. There are some sources about the party that has been formed to work for a new state, and that in itself is notable. On the other hand, that could lead to a Koshal State article. I'm not actually arguing for or against keeping the current article yet. --Bonadea (talk) 10:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply> Please check your talk page. - softdynamite(talk) 18:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Note: There are several posts on my talk page about this AfD, and the closing admin might want to take them into account when deciding on the article's fate. I'm not sure if it's good practice to copy talk page comments to other places in Wikipedia, so won't do that. --Bonadea (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge with Sambalpur district page, create and append to the section on People and Culture. WP:NPOV, WP:ADVERT infringement. --Pdipu (talk) 05:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Arrogant katkiya's cry foul -------Let me clear something here..Sambalpuri is a term generally used to Identify people of Western part of Orissa called Kosal region.The language spoken by 10 district of western orissa alias Kosal region is sambalpuri and not oriya.I have given references in my article also.The source of the reference about the sambalpuri language is parliament of India,Where a Member of Parliament has raised a question to include sambalpuri under the 8th scheduled of India constitution which recognises Indian languages.Like language all festivals and traditions are also altogether different from Oriya.But People from coastal part of orissa doesnot accept this fact.western orissa alias kosal region is India's poorest region,this claim can be supported by enough article on net regardng this.Still after 60 years of Independence people are dying of hunger ..but for coastal orissa people who dominates orissa state politics ,People of western orissa are second citizen.Due to this mentally here also certain user are trying to supress the fact like they do in the orissa state.Please send me your personal mail id:- I will provide you enormous documents even government document which will prove sambalpuri is separate language and culture.I want to clear another thing.Sambalpur is the name of a district of western orissa,whereas sambalpuri refers to the custom,traditon and language followed by 10 district of western orissa alias kosal region..Let's wikipedia do the justice....Let's truth prevails...Thank you..>talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I still don't have a firm opinion and frankly not enough time to form one at the moment, but if the article is kept, large parts of it must be rewritten in a less POV way. Please note that Wikipedia is not a "soapbox" and currently neutrality rather than verifiability is the article's main problem. --Bonadea (talk) 16:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note, just copy-edited: some text was hidden due to paragraph indenting.

• Possibly keep The article seems to be dealing an ethnic region of Orissa, which is asserted to be culturally and linguistically distinct from th rest of the state. I note that the name Kosal (or other spellings) is used. Would that be an appopriate title? A merge with Sambalpur district would not be appropriate, as the article is apparently about a number of districts with a common culture. Being in England, I am not familiar with the facts, but it looks to me as if the article is worth keeping. The POV issues can be dealt with by tagging it for improvement. I have not checked the other pages cited, but they presumably refer to a city and a district, not the whole ethic region. If there are issues of unneceesary duplication, they can be dealt with by editing. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Thanks Peterkingiron for understanding the purpose or I may say the soul of the article.What you have written is absolutely right.kosal or koshal should be more appropriate name.Just below my comment someone has mentioned that this article promotes the separationist movement.But there is nothing in this article which can be labeled as separationist.This article just gives information about people of a particular region,their language,their customs,there traditions and their culture etc.One can find necessary referneces also in this article to prove its authenticity.Let me clarify it again that koshal region consists of 10 district namely sambalpur,Balangir,Sundergarh,Kalahandi,Nuapada,Jharsugua,Sonepur,Bargarh,Boudh,Deogarh..People of these 10 district follows same culture and traditons called Kosali or sambalpuri culture.They also speaks a totally separate language called Sambalpuri or Kosali.So there is no way this article should be merged with sambalpur district.Satyajit Nayak(talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• I would also like to request the admin to have a look at (talk)page .In Bonadea's talk page ,the user softdynamite tried to create some confusion .Let me clear those mis-lead Information.First of all sambalpuri sarees are made in Barpali in Bargarh district,patnagarh in Balangir district and sonepur in subarnapur district.All these places doesnot belongs to sambalpur district but still the handloom is called sambalpuri saree..So here softdynamite has tried to misguide everyone by false Information.Second thing he has mentioned about Karma dance which is performed by a particular community of Balangir and Sundergarh district.Again he has provided wrong Information.Regarding sambalpuri song Rangabati,It was composed by Ramesh Kumar mahanand of Bargarh district and it was sung by Jitendra haripal of Sambalpur district and Krishna Patel of Bargarh district.But Mr.Softdynamite has again misguides us with wrong Information.Regarding structure Hirakud dam it covers 4 district of western Orissa namely sambalpur,Bargarh,jharsuguda and sundergarh...If I am wrong than you can go through any websites on western orissa like koshalbasi.com,navratnanews.com etc....So on a whole user softdynamite and user pdipu are on a mission to suprress the identity of kosali alias sambalpuri people by deleting this article...My humble request is to please block these kind of users who are giving false information to justify their points... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satyajit Nayak (talk

• Merge with Sambalpur district, of course. I don't understand the purpose of having a 'region' article, except possibly to promote the separationist movement, which should also be merged into the 'district' article. ~ priyanath talk 03:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article need some editing and not deletion. It does not provoke any separatist movement. Rather it propagate the unique culture and heritage of Kosal Region which is solely separate from the culture and tradition of Orissa or Eastern Orissa. Kosal region is also synonymic to Sambalpuri or Sambalpur thats why there is no issue of deletion arises. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saketsree (talk • contribs) 11:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-What I see here is the creation of multiple sock-puppets in an organsied manner to canvass for and an attempt to increase the 'Votes to keep'. Though pointing it may not be of any relevance to the issue of deletion or otherwise of the article, it is observeed the syntax of all users implicitly arguing to keep the article seems strikingly similar, same errors and same usage have been made. Also that, a common feature of all the above users is leaving the comments unsigned, a mistake so often also made by Satyajit Nayak (talk.It seems pertinent to clarify that Afd discussion is NOT A VOTE. The closing administrator will surely use the reasoned consensus, and not mere no.s of Ayes and Nays. Requesting interested parties to be fair and honorable. Wikipedia is not a place for cultural advertisement or waging heritage war. The following user ids have been created and edited over the past one week:

• — Bikram's (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Created on 13th July

  — Sahubabloo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Created on 15th July

  — Saketsree (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Created in June

-- soft dynamite (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment:-All the above allegations made by the softdynamite is out of frustration.I would like to request the Administrator to please check/match my IP address with that of the other users giving view in support of the article.Infact I can surely say that ..softdynamite and pdipu are the same,who have only one motto to suppress the truth and delete the sambalpuri article.Satyajit Nayak (talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.130.197.50 (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly recommend not deleting such a great collection of articles related to our place, people, language and culture. And urge to the moderators to take punitive action towards ids such as soft dynamite and Pdipu for creating unnecessary confusion by giving improper information about our place. We know our place better than any outsider. Anandsagardash (talk) 09:15, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Like Rome, a city based kingdom, Sambalpur was too. And the "Sambalpur" name doesn't only represent present day's Sambalpur district or Sambalpur city. Before independence a larger geographical area from central province of British India brought under Orissa Division. And the geographical area was comprising present day's districts of Jharsuguda,Sambalpur,Deogarh,Bargarh, Subarnapur, Balangr, Nuapada and Kalahandi. British administration recognised these parts as Sambalpur District for their administrative purpose and stationed a assistant commissioner in Sambalpur town. Later these area along with some more districts formed the Northern division in independent India with headquarter in Sambalpur city. "Sambalpuri" is the prime language for day to day communication in these part of orissa state along with Sundargarh and Boud districts and Athamallik sub-division of Anugul district. Sambalpuri language has a larger presence in neighboring state of Chattishgarh too. In Mahasamund,Raigarh,Jashpur,Raipur districts of Chattishgarh, there are many speakers in Sambalpuri language. Now a days,Sambalpuri language has a dominating presence in digital media in eastern region of India through its rhythmic, vibrant folk as well as modern music. It is popular through entire orissa,Chattishgarh and Jharkhand state. This is the only language from orissa which has cross border presence in day to day communication as well as in entertainment. Sambalpuri language is going through a transforming phase. So many writers, poets are writing various articles , subjects in Sambalpuri literature. The epic Ramayana, Mahabharata and Bhagvat Geeta are already published in this language and available in the market. It has a bigger and rich vocabulary than the state language Oriya. The grammer and vocubulary books are already published in this language. Sambalpuri vocabulary is totally different from that of Oriya, which gives it a distinct language status. There is no grammatical relation between Sambalpuri and Oriya.Sambalpuri has Aryan origin like Sanskrit and Hindi where as Oriya comes under Dravidian family. The Govt. run Sambalpur University has started a Post graduate study programme in Sambalpuri studies. Also, the Govt. run All India Radio (AIR) and Door Darshan have recognised the potential and popularity of this language and have provided slots for airing programme in Sambalpuri. So, with out any doubt, few people like Soft Dynamite and Pdipu are indulge doing cultural invasion upon us to erase our identity, language and cultural practice by assimilating with them. I request the moderators to kindly consider our concern and take appropriate action to wards ids like soft dynamite and Pdipu. Anandsagardash (talk) 09:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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-- soft dynamite (talk) (Contributions) 21:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep and cut down It's difficult to argue for keeping the article, given the number of SPAs/sockpuppets using irrelevant arguments for its being kept. However, there are some 3rd part sources for the region existing as a concept: [1], [2], and that may just be enough to fulfil WP:V and WP:N. Even though the proposed new state is naturally a controversial subject, neutral text about the existence of a movement to create such a state would be possible. Ditto for the local dialect/language and culture. If the article is kept, it must be cut down; parts of it should certainly be merged, and others removed. The title of the article should perhaps be decided by the WP:INDIA editors who are in a better position to decide about it, and who may as a group bring less bias to the discussion. Unfortunately, it's quite likely that the article will remain a POV piece, with all attempts to introduce neutrality reverted. --Bonadea (talk) 10:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Reply>>Bonadea (talk) this article is not only about a movement to create separate state,it's about highlighting the cultural heritage of sambalpuri people.Regarding the so called sockpuppets,I would suggest you to bring an expert to match my writing with them or you can check the IP address and region from where they are loging in.Second thing what is irrevelant arguments ?? All the things are fact,If some outsider can malign our image by misleading information then the sambalpuri people have every rights to tell the facts about their culture..I would suggest you to have a look at this neutral link taken from India's National and Oldest daily The Hindu:[3]..or you can got through [4].I think there is nothing in this article which is objectionalble,but as certain costal oriya user are trying to mislead wikipedia users by arguing against the article.Like china is doing to tibetian,these costal oriya's are doing the same to sambalpuri or kosali people.They are forcing their language and culture on the people of kosal region--Satyajit Nayak (talk)

• Sambalpuri language is separate from oriya.A member of parliament of India has requested the lower house of Parliament to include sambalpuri language under the 8th schedule of constitution which recognises Indian language.[5].One more reference is also there from parliament of India regarding the same issue in the main sambalpuri region page.So this article should be kept intact because enough references are there to proof the authenticity of each and every word.ThanksSatyajit Nayak (talk) 15:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Sambalpur and Sambalpur District Per above, POV fork, etc. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 03:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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