The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to San Diego Padres. Clear consensus to merge, less clear consensus as to the target; this discussion does not preclude information being added to other articles, or a different redirect target being chosen via discussion. Vanamonde (Talk)21:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As was previously said by Megacheez, there is no reason for the San Diego Padres, of all teams, to have its own article devoted to its retired numbers. There is nothing unique about the Padres' retired numbers that warrants their own article; their coverage is no more significant than any other team. Songwaters (talk) 16:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The existing cited sources shows that the topic meets WP:LISTN: One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. The more appropriate approach would be to look to create similar pages for the other teams, which likely have similar coverage, if they exist for the Padres, "of all teams". WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST is generally not a compelling argument.—Bagumba (talk) 16:20, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The sources on this page, with no more than three exceptions, are not primarily devoted to the Padres' overall list of retired numbers. They either refer to a specific player's number, or the retired numbers are a mere mention amid a broader topic, such as the team itself or its stadium. This clearly demonstrates that this topic is not notable enough to warrant its own article, as its coverage has not been shown to be significant enough. It is summarized sufficiently at San Diego Padres. Songwaters (talk) 21:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:LISTN doesn't require all sources cover the "broader topic": The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Other awards or honors list are not subject to such an extreme interpretation.—Bagumba (talk) 01:31, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Wikipedia does not aspire to have an article on everythin. This article is pure fancruft; its content would make a brief para in the teams articleTheLongTone (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:FANCRUFT says It is true that things labeled fancruft are often deleted from Wikipedia. This is primarily because articles labeled as fancruft are often poorly written, unwikified, non-neutral, unreferenced, or contain original research. None of these apply. Consider, instead, WP:ITSCRUFT: While some editors may dislike certain kinds of information, that alone isn't enough for something to be deleted. —Bagumba (talk) 17:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I dont give a flying what the Wikipedia definition of fancruft is, this article is clearly fancruft. Its well written (ish), but really is of intest only to an obsessive fann. The real point is that most of the article is information whose proper home is elsewhere, and what remains can easily be contained in the article on the team. And the fact that I find all sports with the exceptions of croquet and cricket tedious beyond belief is neither here nor there. If I was to try and delete every article on some duller than dull kick-the-ball artiste I would soon be completely Dagenham.TheLongTone (talk) 12:30, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect/Merge. Basic information can and already does sit at List of Major League Baseball retired numbers. Slightly more specific information can and already does sit at the team article. Anything more specific than that can sit at the individual player articles if appropriate. This isn't really a list article so much as a summary of each retirement along with a basic table at the end. And even in that context, I'm not really seeing notability here. Retired numbers in general, sure. The retiring of a specific player's number, sure. But trying to collect the retirements of all the Padres together as a standalone topic...I'm not finding any sourcing here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.