The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. consensus appears to be that sourcing is sufficient. Star Mississippi 01:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Deprodded with addition of sources, but they're only fleeting mentions in articles about the network. Suggest delete or redirect to History of Freeform (TV channel) Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• only fleeting mentions in articles about the network The third source I linked on the talk page (the LA Times article) has about 7 paragraphs dedicated specifically to "Shopping Spree", which I would say is more than a fleeting mention. (The other two linked sources are just brief mentions.) Colin M (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to draft unless substantially improved by the close of this discussion. I would also doubt that this show is the primary topic of the phrase "Shopping Spree", given the common meaning and the existence of redirects to other things called that name at the same capitalization. BD2412 T 05:58, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I think it's more that no other work has the exact name "shopping spree" (the other two entries on the dab page are redirects), and the concept of a "shopping spree" itself would just be a WP:DICDEF. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:21, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  That the other entries on the dab page are redirects is permissible. I think this could also end up as a redirect, since this content could be merged or (as you suggested in the nom) redirected to a redirect to History of Freeform (TV channel). The concept of a "shopping spree" could be covered as a subtopic in Shopping, as it is a behavior distinct from normal shopping. BD2412 T 18:05, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Terrace, Vincent (2009). Encyclopedia of Television Shows, 1925 Through 2007. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. p. 1372. ISBN 978-0-7864-3305-6. Retrieved 2022-05-21 – via Google Books.

     The book provides 190 words of coverage about the subject. The book notes: "Shopping Spree. (Series; Game; Family Channel; 1996). Two teams, each composed of a male and a female, compete. Prior to the game each team member secretly chooses items they believe their mates will like. On stage six “stores” for each team are revealed that contain a number of prizes (including the items each has selected). In round one, the male must pick the prizes he believes his mate selected for him. If he is correct on the first try, the prize is won and they move onto the next store (the object being to guess all six in as little time as possible); an incorrect guess allows the player to take a second guess, but it also adds time to their total. Once the team has “shopped” all six stores, the opposing team plays in the same manner. Round two reverses round one (females having to determine what the males selected). The team with the lowest overall time is the winner and play the bonus round where, within 75 seconds, they have to identify which celebrities are associated with the items that are seen. Host: Ron Pearson. Announcer: Burton Richardson."

  2. Rauzi, Robin (1996-09-26). "Good, Clean Fun Finds a TV Home". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21.

     The article provides 316 words of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "So what is the “positive value” in shopping? (The family that shops together . . . declares bankruptcy together?)  At least there’s an altruistic bent here: contestants shop for each other instead of themselves. ... The funniest part of the show never appears on television. One gimmick of the show is that each will feature a different “product model,” chosen from the studio audience, who on the show will always be referred to as Denise (or Dennis) DuJour. Between lame warmup jokes and half-hearted Macarenas, executive producer Jay Wolpert runs the audition."

  3. Less significant coverage:
     1. Richmond, Ray (1997-03-17). "Old games find new life". Variety. Vol. 366, no. 7. pp. 38, 42. ProQuest 1505774985.

        The article notes: "The two that the Family Channel has found success with involve shopping, the idea being to appeal to homemakers who shop and, evidently, enjoy watching others do the same. In "Shopping Spree," a shopper picks out an item from each of six stores. A teammate must then divine from clues, body language, interests and shopping tendencies what his or her shopping partner has just purchased."

     2. Dempsey, John (1996-05-06). "Family Channel plays games with sked". Variety. Vol. 363, no. 1. p. 224. ProQuest 1286162933.

        The article notes: "The half-hour strips, which will run in sequence from 3 to 5 p.m. are: ... "Shopping Spree," a beat-the-clock type gameshow from Jay Wolpert Prods."

     3. Duffy, Mike (1996-09-30). "Game shows proliferate on the Family Channel". Detroit Free Press. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article notes: "Alas, I ran screaming from the Free Press Brain Candy Screening Pod after viewing episodes of the materialism-zonked "Shop 'Til You Drop" and "Shopping Spree." ... By the time "Shopping Spree" rolled around, I was in a catatonic couch potato state, unable to do anything but whimper as game player Sharlene told host Ron Pearson why she had sheet music of "Cats" and a picture of William Shatner pinned to her sweathshirt. Don't ask."

     4. "New game shows lead lineup". Santa Maria Times. 1996-09-23. Archived from the original on 2022-05-21. Retrieved 2022-05-21 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article notes: "3:30–4:00 p.m. — Have you ever had to buy a gift for someone you didn't know? Ron Pearson ("An Evening At The Improv") helps contestants, armed only with their wit and a few hard-earned clues, race the clock and find perfect matches for their teammates as they enter a shopping frenzy for points and prizes. ... "Shopping Spree" is a Family Game Shows, Inc. Production. Jay Wolpert is the executive producer and Shannon Dobson is the producer."

     5. Belcher, Walt (1996-10-07). "MTV special targets young drinkers". The Tampa Tribune. Retrieved 2022-05-21 – via Newspapers.com.

        The article notes: "The Family Channel changes its daytime offerings today. Included are five new game shows: "The New Shop 'Til You Drop" at 3 p.m., "Shopping Spree" at 3:30 p.m., ... "Shopping Spree," with host Ron Pearson, has contestants racing to find the perfect gift for a stranger."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Shopping Spree to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 09:06, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Only the LA Times article seems like significant coverage. The rest is directory listings or passing mentions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There may be sufficient coverage, but I won't have an opinion to that effect until I see how it translates to cited content in the article. BD2412 T 17:08, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep based on sources listed above, at the very least it pass WP:GNG. DonaldD23 talk to me 14:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  So a bunch of passing mentions that don't combine to a full sentence are enough to you? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The article should be cut down to what's verifiable in RS, and after that we might be left with a rather short permastub, but I contend that it would still be a useful permastub. The fact that this page is linked to from a dozen mainspace articles (not counting links from transcluded navboxes), suggests that it occupies a useful place in Wikipedia's web of knowledge. What if a reader of our article Service Merchandise reads the mention of "Shopping Spree" in that article and wishes to know more about the show? When did it air? On what channel? Who was the host? How did the show work? This can all be verifiably answered, but not if this article is deleted. And it's certainly not reasonable to copy all the verifiable information about the show into each of the dozen articles that mention it. (Hats off to Cunard for doing the leg work of finding additional sources.) Colin M (talk) 21:33, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  So you want it to stay because other articles exist, even if sourcing doesn't. Good call. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:49, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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