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The result was merge to List of Spider-Man (1994 TV series) episodes. (non-admin closure) Alpha Quadrant ^talk 18:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all - over the last couple of weeks I've been working through Category:Marvel animated universe trying to clarify and consolidate its contents. I am suggesting that all of these episode articles be deleted. First and foremost, they all fail the general notability guideline which requires significant coverage in reliable sources. Many of the articles have no sources. Those that do rely on unreliable sources like fansites, blogs and IMDB and sites that may or may not have some affiliation with Marvel, none of which can be used to establish notability. Note that passing mentions in sources, which do exist, may establish the existence of these episodes but passing mentions do not establish notability and existence is not notability. Second, the articles for the most part consist of long and overly detailed plot summaries, in violation of WP:PLOT and WP:WAF, which require that articles on works of fiction be more than plot descriptions and that articles about fiction should show how the fiction is significant in the real world. Many of the articles have been tagged with various concerns for well over a year, including calls for improved referencing, indicators of real-world significance, comportment with Wikipedia style and general notability concerns. Since no independent reliable sources exist, these articles cannot be improved to bring them into compliance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Harley Hudson (talk) 22:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Where did you try to clarify and consolidate its contents ? Could you provide an example ? You are deleting and deleting and deleting, no merge, no writing, nothing. In my opinion, the content should be merged by season. These articles have not enought notability and some of them are just a plot but a merging with a list of episodes by seasons will help keep informations and fix the problem. I have the feeling but I can be wrong that Harley Hudson prefers to delete articles instead of trying to fix them. There are no pages with a list of episodes and short summaries from seasons 1 and 5, valuable informations about episodes from seasons 2, 3, 4 can go into Spider-Man (1994 TV series) Season 2, Spider-Man (1994 TV series) Season 3 and Spider-Man (1994 TV series) Season 4. --178.33.171.25 (talk) 10:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into season or series episode list(s) seems the reasonable course here. That would include creating missing list(s) and actually porting over the standard info - episode number, title, director, writer, and short episode summary being the minimum. At this point all that has been done with these articles is 1) PROD and then 2) AfD for "deletion". No apparent attempt to retain anything has been shown. - J Greb (talk) 17:49, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • And for clarity sake: List of Spider-Man (1994 TV series) episodes is short 2 pieces, directors and summaries; Spider-Man (1994 TV series) Season 4 is short the directors ; Spider-Man (1994 TV series) Season 3 is a bit of a mess but it does include DVD release information lacking elsewhere; and Spider-Man (1994 TV series) Season 2 is a train wreck. Realistically, all of it can be merged into List of Spider-Man (1994 TV series) episodes, retaining the information in a form similar to other series episode lists without going overboard. - J Greb (talk) 17:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • None of the information in the episode articles is reliably sourced. Merger of unsourced information is not an appropriate solution. I'm unclear what WP:RETAIN, which discusses national varieties of English, has to do with this discussion. The information can be added to the list articles by finding it in reliable sources without porting over unsourced and unverified information. Harley Hudson (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • My error on the section/guideline, but the point still stands that retention of information deemed reliably sourced is a recurring concern within AfDs. And yes, credits and short - 100 to 300 words in the case of episode lists - summary can be reliably sourced to the primary source. It's when uncredited or incompletely credited information is added that secondary sources are required. Or when critical commentary - which is what is needed for stand alone articles - is made.
        In this case there are episode lists related to this show and for the most part those lists are missing elements that seems standard and could be reliable sourced to the episodes. An attempt should be made to merge that information to the lists and converting the episode articles into redirects. And yes, part of that merge is a necessary editing down of the summaries to that 300 word cap.
        - J Greb (talk) 22:07, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per J Greb.--Crazy runner (talk) 07:11, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per J Greb. BOZ (talk) 11:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per J Greb. These articles about individual seasons, or all seasons together in one article, would be consistent with other television show articles on Wikipedia. Spidey104 14:39, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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