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The result was Delete. David Ruben ^Talk 00:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sports car knee syndrome[edit]

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Delete as unverifiable. Zero mentions of this syndrome can be found on Google, nor any for the words "fuisz", "car", and "syndrome" together. ... discospinster _talk 01:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If the reference and support for this is in a non-google searchable medical reputable medical journal, using the criteria that it must be on google would limit the usefulness of the whole encyclopedia. Seems like many of the comments come from people that say they don't have it so it can't exist. Glad to see the much more valid list of large chested performers discussion below is going better for the contributor.Fuiszt 16:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I added the missing AFD notice to the article.--WebHamster 02:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Speaking as a middle-aged person with a sports car (as well as arthritis) all I can say is WP:BOLLOCKS --WebHamster 02:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WebHamster. Keb25 02:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Speaking as a nurse who never heard of this, per the Hamster. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 02:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A quick glance at the creator's other contibutions leads me to think this is more likely WP:OR Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 03:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, looks like someone's original research. JIP | Talk 12:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• If it worked for Dr. Jarvik.... Poor Dr. Fuisz and his sports car knee syndrome (documented in 1960 by TIME Magazine; and, I might add, the same year by MAD Magazine). There actually is a Dr. Richard C. Fuisz who has made his name as founder of a company called Fuisz Technologies, which has nothing to do with sports cars (though he might own one). Mandsford 12:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Looks like WP:OR GDonato (talk) 18:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This WP:OR nd Time is no WP:RS for a previously unreviewed medical article. JodyB _{yak, yak, yak} 19:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Cute, delete... Does it only affect mid-life crisis men? • Lawrence Cohen 05:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Added NEJM reference-198.133.139.5 13:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Is it still WP:OR or WP:RS with the NEJM ref? Google sports-car palsy it's there.198.133.139.5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.133.139.5 (talk) 20:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep now with a searchable reference from a distinguished medical journal! Thanks 198! Fuiszt 23:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Locobot (talk) 02:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I have relisted this to allow better evaluation from experts on whether the added reference is appropriate enough to keep this article. --Bduke 08:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, rubbish. Sebi _[talk] 09:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. There's a verifiable source to the syndrome: Time Magazine Issue June 6, 1960 [1], not a distinguished medical journal as Fuiszt stated. However, after 47 years there are no search hits to an apparently common medical condition given the amount of sports/small cars in the world? - Mtmelendez ^{(Talk|UB|Home)} 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• The issue is this: is the ref. in the article, "Massey EW, Pleet AB. Sports-car palsy. N Engl J Med. 1978 Aug 24;299(8):425" relevant? Would someone who knows about the issue please answer that. I was going to close this discussion. The consensus is to delete, but this late reference may demonstrate notability and support for the article. If it is a good reference, then the article should be kept in spite of the earlier majority to delete. --Bduke 12:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have you considered consulting members of WikiProject Medicine? - Mtmelendez ^{(Talk|UB|Home)} 21:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have now, and I also see it has been deletion sorted to the medical list. --Bduke 00:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The 1978 sports-car palsy article has been cited only three times (according to Web of Knowledge), including by an article entitled "The Trials Of Man—Unusual, Curious And Downright Embarassing Medical Conditions." SolidPlaid 12:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per everything above. /Blaxthos 12:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per SolidPlaid. Neologisms happen in the medical profession as well--quite commonly. These terms may have been variously proposed, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence that they are in widepsread usage or accepted by any reputable medical organization. "Small car syndrome", itself a neologism, seems to relate to aggressive driving. --Moonriddengirl 12:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the condition described here does not appear to match Sports-car palsy (which might have some notability). This condition is about getting in and out of a small car. I found one description of sports-car palsy (the only one I could find - though it is from a discussion board and not a RS): "There is even one condition described in the medical literature, 'Sports Car Palsy' (New England Journal of Medicine, Volume 299 August 24, 1978) which is related to the gearbox of specific models of Triumph sports cars being adjacent to the footwell and convenient for the driver to rest the knee of the left leg on (RHD models only, naturally). The vibration from the gearbox affected the nerves in the leg to such an extent as to give rise to palsies in a sufficient number of patients for the problem to be isolated and described." This condition appears to be specfic to vibrations from certain cars. However, I cannot access the one medical journal that seems to address this issue. Denaar 14:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Relisted because a guy posing as Dr. Richard C. Fuisz has added an article published nearly 30 years ago in the New England Journal of Medicine? This is better than the TIME magazine article from 47 years ago, I suppose, but either "Fuiszt" is promoting a friend or he's another Dr. Fuisz promoting himself. And note to Bduke ... if you relist because someone added a reference "at the buzzer", you're going to find yourself (a) doing a lot more work and (b) being accused of unfairness, since there are a lot of other articles that have seen a lot more improvement than this since being nominated. If you want to save an article, look at the AfD for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pirate's Dinner Adventure (4th nomination)‎. I'm afraid, Bduke, that if you start trying to please everyone, you're going to end up pleasing no-one. Not being uncivil, just giving you some practical advice. Mandsford 17:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We should not delete stuff unless there is good reason. It is reasonable to get an article in a reputable medical journal evaluated properly. I am not fighting to keep it as the guy in your example is. I was looking to close it and did not think that reference had been evaluated properly, so I relisted. Some other admin can close it in due course. --Bduke 00:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletions. —Espresso Addict 21:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No hits on PubMed for any Fuisz RC, Time magazine article indicates just a letter to a journal which does not therefore establish that condition/name been generally accepted (i.e. fails WP:Notable). Likewise no relevant hits for "small car"/"small-car" to do with the knee. Close as per above consensus David Ruben ^Talk 00:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.