The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TJ Norris

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Non-notable artist. User:Tjnorris created this autobiography which was then moved to his user page. Then User:Clarklovins got created to put the page back up. Hmm.

At any rate, all external links are self-published, and the two discs mentioned in the Discography can only be found here, on a single press release copy, and on the artist's home page. No other claim to fame. Coren 12:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Coren. Links to own websites warrant deletion on grounds that this is self-promotion, i.e.WP:SPAM. --Gavin Collins 13:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A strange argument, since most articles on living artists/musicians/actors etc include just such links. Johnbod 16:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep as NN. having links to one's own websites is not reason for deletion, relying on them mainly is certainly an indication. As well as reviews from newspapers in and around Portland Oregon where his gallery Soundvision is located, there's a citation from a major review source The Wire, I take that to show just adequate notability. DGG 01:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Needs work but otherwise its ok with me. Wikipedia should be inclusive not exclusive. I am a firm believer that most bios should be allowed to remain. All bios need is sources and a minimal standard of notability. The larger Wikipedia is the best of a resource it is. One million articles is much better that one hundred thousand articles. It should be a source of information on the most trivial matters to the most important. Callelinea 04:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Callelinea has been copy-pasting the same !vote to dozens of bio-related AfD -- Coren ^(talk) 05:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Coren if you bother to read any of my Critiques in the past two days, you will see that many of them I have stated what I felt was needed to make it a better article.. Not all are CUT and Paste as you state. So much easier to critize then to create. In this particular article I stated it needed some work but that it was fine with me.. after that I just stated my opinion on what wiki should be about.. Perhaps I shouldn't.. Callelinea 22:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 01:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE.. I looked in google and found lots of things on artist. I included some of them for you guys to see.. The artist is NOTABLE.Callelinea 03:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very Weak keep seems pretty borderline to me - a busy bee locally, but no real non-local coverage. Johnbod 16:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP This artist/music critic is important in the very small but interesting world of sound art. He recently was on a panel in an international sound art conference in Montreal, so I argue that while he may not be "notable" to the general public, to this more specialized field he is of interest. He is also one of the more important critic/ artists in Portland OR. while not the center of the universe, is at least on most maps. I would like to also say that I think Wiki should be ere on the side of inclusivity.Soapsnydler 18:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC) — Soapsnydler (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep Some of the content appears to be dated (for instance Soundvision no longer exists).Recently Mr.Norris has had critically acclaimed exhibitions at Chambers gallery and also at the 12X16 gallery both in Portland Oregon.His curatorial work and critical writing have elevated his local status considerably in the last two years.He is fundamental to the Portland art scene and is now represented by The New American Art Union (a progressive gallery) here on Oregon. — 67.100.122.214 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 18:54, July 2, 2007 (UTC).
STRONG KEEP I am aware of TJ Norris's work and he is most definitely notable - both by Wikipedia's standards and those of the art world at large. I assume that the person who tagged this article for deletion just want to see more content to prove that Mr. Norris is worthy of a Wikipedia page. As such, I have taken the liberty of editing this article in order to provide additional content. Please look at his accomplishments and contributions and let us please put this discussion to rest. Nerdletta 19:03, 03 July 2007

KEEP I have followed TJ's career for a number of years and am not sure how his work is considered to be not notable enough for inclusion here. He was a well established artist in Boston for many years, was a resident artist of the Boston Center for the Arts, and showed in numerous prominant galleries and museums there and around the country. Since moving to Portland, OR a few years ago, he has really made a name for himself in the art world with the establishment of his critically aclaimed gallery, Soundvision, and his curatorial work at other galleries as well contributions of his own work in numerous group and solo shows. He has been highly praised by just about every art critic in every print medium in Portland, including the Oregonian. He also writes for numerous national and international publications and has been a panalist on many presentations on the arts around the country and in Canada. TriMix, the compilation DVD that he curated, is available on Amazon and iTunes--not just on his website as indicated above. I'm new to the editorial process at work on Wikipedia and I apologize if I am missing something here, but I definitely support the inclusion of TJ's listing on the site. Kevredmond 17:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"STRONG KEEP" -- TJ Norris has had a long and sustained involvement in the arts as a maker, writer, etc. I can't imagine why wikipedia would not want to include him! This seems a little crazy to me... if he were living in NY would we really be having this conversation?-

Comment "[I]f he were living in NY would we really be having this conversation?" Yes. Freshacconci 14:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep The attempts at self-promotion are troubling per WP:COI. However, he's done some things that are notable, and as long as this article is heavily edited, I would say keep. Freshacconci 14:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.