The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Sandstein 07:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TeX Gyre Heros (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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No indication that this font is notable, the sourcing consists of a blog (FontShop) and the website for the font itself. A BEFORE search only reveals sites where the font can be downloaded/purchased. Netherzone (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Netherzone (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The TeX Gyre project has been covered in depth in the TeX User Group journal TUGboat a few times; e.g. A first look at the TeX Gyre fonts. But I think that'd at best support an article on the project as a whole rather than each individual font. Adam Sampson (talk) 13:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Do you think a merge or redirect into TeX would make sense? Netherzone (talk) 15:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If you were looking to merge into an existing article, I think a better target would be Nimbus Sans, since it's a version of that font. TeX wouldn't make sense as a target - the TeX Gyre project is not part of TeX itself, and the other fonts that are commonly used with TeX aren't covered in that article. Adam Sampson (talk) 01:08, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Neither TeX nor Nimbus Sans makes sense. TeX would be a bit like putting an article about the Linux Libertine fonts into an article about the Linux kernel. Yes, they share a part of their name and both are free (as in speech) software, but rather unrelated. In order to use the TeX Gyre fonts you don't need TeX because they are actually just regular OTF CFF fonts and are more related to PostScript and GhostScript, because they fill the gap of Adobe's 35 standard fonts in open source in general. To merge it with Nimbus Sans would be wrong too because the TeX Gyre project changed the outlines of the letters and added hundreds of glyphs. This is clearly not the same design anymore — and the project put also a ot of money into the Gyre fonts to pay font designer to achieve that. I would even say that TeX Gyre Heros is of way higher quality than Nimbus Sans. The reason why you don't find much about this font is that it lives in the open source realm and there is no marketing / thera are no advertisements, but it's available in many Linux distributions. One could say "we use it, but just don't talk much about it". Liebeskind (talk) 09:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 00:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The assessment from the nominator accurately describes the current sourcing situation of the font. Reviewing the above discussion, it appears to have died without a consensus to merge to either TeX or Nimbus Sans, and I agree with the evaluation of Liebeskind in relation to that. Based on Liebeskind's evaluation, I don't think either of the previous articles are good redirect targets. Thus, I think deletion is appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 04:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't want to keep it, I'd rather propose to merge it with Helvetica. TeX Gyre Heros is the closest^[1] and truest free (as in free software) implementation of Helvetica. If merged with Helvetica, this quality should be emphasized. --Liebeskind (talk) 17:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TeX Gyre Heros was particularly made as a high quality compatible free software replacement for Adobe Helvetica, which was ubiquitary in the 1980ies, 1990ies and later because of PostScript and Adobes DTP solutions. --Liebeskind (talk) 09:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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