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The result was merge to Arizona State University. Missvain (talk) 18:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Luminosity Lab[edit]

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Unclear if this passes WP:GNG. Might be more appropriate to merge with Arizona State University. nearlyevil665 19:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. nearlyevil665 19:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:44, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Winner of notable X-Prize next-Gen Mask competition. Explicitly named in state-wide and national independent news sources for work in COVID-19, CNBC and Bloomberg reporting found in references^{[1] [2]}. I do not believe merging would be preferable as other institutes at Arizona State University such as Biodesign Institute are separate from the Arizona State University with much less sourcing outside of the university itself. Additionally, much of notability may not be associated with ASU as X-Prize and NASA competitions were competed in by Luminosity Lab teams specifically, not ASU teams generally.User:LabRat55

Comment: The second link is a press release. The first one is an article about over 10 different mask inventions and one of them is about a mask developed by the students from Arizona State University's Luminosity Lab. nearlyevil665 21:54, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This article from The Arizona Republic is an independently written article from a notable newspaper that specifically discusses the Luminosity Lab winning Mask Design. ^[3] Additional Luminosity Lab specific articles from Arizona's Fox News station and Arizona's PBS included here. ^{[4] [5]} And additional notable information to be included in the article includes projects in COVID-19 response work. ^{[6] [7] [8]} User:LabRat55 22:29, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Arizona Republic coverage is clearly locally-themed coverage, which is why they're covering the ASU group. The Fox News coverage is not third-party, as Fox Corporation is one of the labs partners, as the rather promotional listing in the article lets us know. --Nat Gertler (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is my first article and I was trying to expand on what looks like a project to document the major research centers on the ASU campus. I tried to improve on what Biodesign Institute and Center for Meteorite Studies did. I felt as though I had far more non-asu sources in my article, which I gathered was the preferred from my reading of Wikipedia guideline pages, if not I found a number of ASU stories and State Press articles documenting the lab's work, the same sources as the Biodesign Institute article used, just thought the sources I was using would be better, please advise. Could anyone explain why the other articles were accepted so I could understand for the future? Just trying to learn my way around the editing and writing process. Thank you User:LabRat55 19:10 27 April 2021 (UTC)

• Weak delete - there are several in-depth article about this group due their winning the award, which btw is hardly a notable award, but I can't find enough to pass WP:ORGDEPTH. If some sourcing from non-local sources turns up please ping and I'll definitely re-assess. Onel5969 ^{TT me}
• Delete No RS are discussing in significant depth the lab. Cinadon36 13:52, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: The number and quality of RSes seems OK to me. The delete arguments are substantial, but I think poorly explained, given that LabRat55 is not familiar with our notability guidelines. The content in sections 2 and 3 is sourced but these are poor quality sources and the coverage here is insubstantial. While the sourcing for section 4, on the competitions the org has taken part in, is substantial, the worry that leads to citing WP:ORGDEPTH is that this coverage is about things the org has done (cf. WP:INHERITORG) but doesn't provide the kind of substantial information about the organisation that we would need to write a balanced encyclopedia article. LabRat55: can I suggest you identify an RS that does have substantial coverage of the organisation itself? WP:THREE is often cited in deletion discussions, but I think a single ref that puts to rest this specific concern would really strengthen the keep rationale. — Charles Stewart (talk) 10:39, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Hi there Charles, I searched on Google Scholar for articles about the Lab and these are what I found. Two appear to be written by someone connected to the lab, but are published in scientific journals so I am not sure about tests of reliability. The other two are written by people without any direct connection to the lab that I have found. Any thoughts on these sources?^{[1][2] [3] [4]}User:LabRat55 22:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete While it seems that the aggregate of what people from this lab have achieved should satisfy notability requirements, I must agree that we are lacking the independent coverage to write about the lab as a whole. Sometimes you get these cases where notability seems intuitive, but the third-party material to write an article just isn't there; I think we've got that here. Sucks but no barrier to reviving this if such material surfaces. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:17, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I assume that last batch of links was meant as a response? None of these four is independent coverage - therein lies the problem. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:44, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Hi there Elmidae, I am sorry, I did not mean for it to look like a batch of links, it was me trying to add links to my response to Charles Stewart above you. I am new to editing and I am not sure how to get the articles to not go at the bottom. I did not mean for it to look like a response to you, my apologies, I was a bit busy and could only respond to one comment at that time. User:LabRat55 21:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Revision made to article I'm not voting to delete, but I've blanked out the "notable partners" part because not only was the reference to Luminosity Lab's own website, but the website said "current and former partners" whereas the Wiki article said "partners" without revealing that most (or all) of them might not even be partners anymore. Dr. Universe (talk) 17:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge or redirect with Arizona State University per nom. A student-run lab at a university, which has only been around for 5 years: the notability is limited to winning a one-time $500,000 prize in a mask design competition, being 1 of 22 finalists in a NASA competition, and 1 of X finalists in another NASA competition, which appears it could even be the same as the first one, meaning that there's only 2 events within about a year, so compelling evidence yet that coverage will be WP:SUSTAINED. Dr. Universe (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge there's some useful information, but the useful information is so small it can just be put into the university article. It's standard for universities to have multiple research institutes, but they don't need their own article unless they're individually notable. Uses x (talk • contribs) 23:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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