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The result was merge to 2024 Russian presidential election. ‑Scottywong| prattle _ 06:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The transit of power in Russia after Vladimir Putin[edit]

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Crystal balling. Slatersteven (talk) 13:35, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:CBALL: It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced.·Carn !? 13:46, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is this is a collection of suppositions about what might happen, its not a clear cut analysis of future events.Slatersteven (talk) 13:53, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: There can be no analysis of "future events". This is not "future history" it is a retelling of the analysis of present situation (trends and tendencies, forces of political actors, etc) carried out by experts - political scientists, sociologists and journalists.

There is no editor opinion in article, there are "predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field" as WP:CBALL allow us to do. Russian and international experts have long spoken out on this subject, so quite comprehensive generalizing works have appeared.

If I misunderstood the rules and there will be consensus that the article should be deleted - i ask instead of this please transfer it by subsection to 2024 Russian presidential election.·Carn !? 14:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 14:28, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 14:28, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Notable topic. Nomination is not valid without detailing why that policy applies here. It's akin to nominating 2020 United States presidential election for the same reason.----Pontificalibus 15:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 2020 election is an event likely to happen, this is not about an event likely to happen but speculation about a number of events that might happen (well to be more precise speculation about what might stop an event (the 2024 presidential elections) from happening), one (according to the article, and the only one required in law) unlikely to happen. Hell even the page name is wrong, as at least two of the scenarios involve Putin remaining in power.Slatersteven (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Among Russian experts there is common name on a topic "Problem 2024", maybe it is better name for an article.

Article is about existing problem of succession in personalist regime - only one scenario (Constitution change) isn't about transit of power. Other scenarios about loosing formal power by Putin.·Carn !? 17:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which is the problem, this is not about one probable event but three possible (and one unlikely) event (according to the article). This is an example of various "experts" making conjectural predictions of what might be. The only difference between this and those "what if" books written by historians is here they are postulating different futures, rather then alternative pasts.Slatersteven (talk) 13:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:SYNTH. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 19:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you be more specific? All statements are given by sources, what exactly bothers you? ·Carn !? 11:00, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:CBALL. At this stage only unfounded speculations are available Alex Bakharev (talk) 11:44, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • If speculations are made by political scientists or sociologists, not by editors, as I wrote above - WP:CBALL specifies that they are ok. ·Carn !? 17:27, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep or merge to Putinism. WP:CBALL tells: All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced.. It is properly referenced. My very best wishes (talk) 01:22, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The article needs a lot of work (including a new name), but it's a topic that gets coverage, e.g. [1], [2], [3]. Encyclopaedic things can be said about it. Bondegezou (talk) 10:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a consensus that new name should be "Problem 2024"? I didn’t name the article that way because I didn’t understand whether clarification is needed, like "Problem 2024 (Russia)" ·Carn !? 10:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Problem 2024 would be better than the current title. Bondegezou (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to 2024 Russian presidential election. It's speculation that Putin will be succeeded by anyone in 2024. That said, the topic of the 2024 Russian presidential election is notable no matter what Putin does, and most (if not all) of the content can be merged to that topic. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Merge per WP:CBALL. Article is filled with speculations. Best is probably to merge with any other article regarding Putin and Russia as a whole. Maybe the 2024 Russian presidential election? Lefcentreright (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to 2024 Russian presidential election for now. The article is full of speculation and cannot be explained with accurate sourcing until 2024 arrives. Also, who knows, Russia could pull a China and change the term limit, especially with a unpredictable leader such as Putin. AmericanAir88^(talk) 16:16, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge sourced speculations into 2024 Russian presidential election. As the end of Putin's presidency is but one possible outcome, WP:CRYSTAL would suggest that an entire article of speculations should not exist at this stage. Even though it is too soon to create a neutral, well-sourced article on this subtopic, its verifiable contents that have already received significant coverage should be explained in the topic's broader article (which easily complies with the main policies). Additionally, I would suggest renaming this article (if kept) or resulting redirect (if merged/redirected) to Problem 2024 or another shorter, widely-used name; the current title is not WP:CONCISE and would probably not be a very helpful redirect for this reason. ComplexRational (talk) 14:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge acceptable sourced content to 2024 Russian presidential election possibly under a "Problem 2024" subsection. As a political science buff there is intrigue and I would offer interesting information but it is too soon for a stand alone article. Otr500 (talk) 02:47, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.