The result was keep. Nom withdrawn - majority of discussion was keep based on improvements (non-admin closure) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This appears to be a school essay. I'd offer to fix the spelling and grammar, but given that all the content is already in Thomas Jefferson, and the various articles on slavery, the American Civil War, Sally Hemmings and probably others that I have missed, this is just a synthesis of other Wikipedia articles, and I'm not sure it belongs in the encyclopaedia. Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Withdraw nomination. I have been persuaded by the work done on the article that this is not a content fork but a valid split of a notable topic from the main Thomas Jefferson article, which is too long to contain it. Not sure if this can now be speedy closed - I'll leave that to an admin--Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I respect your opinions on the matter. These are my first attempts at adding to these issues. In my opinion they have been very conservative. I do not take offense to your "school essay" comment. If you actually believe that the quality of the message needs work, then by all means delete the article and other article additions. I would be more then glad to delete them myself. I know that you want the best on Wiki. I do too. I have made attempts to change the article. The article is completely open and I was hoping others would add to the article. The choice is yours to make. I thought this was an open format, yet, to be candid, it seems there are allot of strict guidelines with these articles. I appreciate Wiki allowing myself and others to make contributions. (Cmguy777 (talk) 23:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
How long does this deletion process take place? (Cmguy777 (talk) 23:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
In my page I was trying to be objective as possible. I believe slavery to be a very important issue, that is why I started a new page in the first place, because I thought more discussion was needed and more facts, such as the amount of slaves Jefferson owned from his 21st birthday and at the time of his will. I also thought Sally Hemming issue needed more discussion, especially the part about alledged children. I wrote in the discussion that a new page should be started. I thought the original Jefferson page was running too long. George Washington has a separate page on Slavery. My attempt was to follow the same format. <Cmguy777 (talk) 23:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)>[reply]
Yes. I am in agreement. This was just an attempt for a separate page on slavery. I have been incorperating elements of this page into the Orginal Thomas Jefferson page about Sally Jennings. You can read my contribution. The only other thing I want to contribute about Jefferson is to know how he inherited slaves from his father, increased the amount of slaves and apparently decreasing the amount of slaves in his estate. Also the statement he made about stopping the slave trade reads like a 21 century press statement. He knew how to communicate with people. I have deleted two contributions I made to the George Washington and Slavery issue. I know this is not a discussion format. However, not everything that has occured in History is written on stone. Things can be debatable.
(Cmguy777 (talk) 01:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
I have made changes to the page. I have deleted anything that could be considered opinion and/or unpublished synthesis. I would appreciate any feedback. Has anyone reviewed the page recently? If the page is kept I would incorperate any information from the main Thomas Jefferson page to make the page larger. Any suggestions? Can I bring in information from the main Thomas Jefferson section? {Cmguy777 (talk) 19:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)}[reply]
I have continued to refine the page. I have made the page chronological and have gotten rid of anything the shows opinion. I am not making any conclusions with the facts and/or unpublished synthesis. I have also incorperated valuable information from the Thomas Jefferson main page. I would like to put in the information about Sally Hemings from the main page on Thomas Jefferson. This page is vastly improved. Please remember, this is my first attempt with Wikipedia. Please keep this page. Sincerely, {Cmguy777 (talk) 19:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)}.[reply]
Comment. Come to think of it, if the bulk Thomas Jefferson and slavery's content can be considered encyclopedic, Thomas Jefferson (116KB long) would definitely benefit from such a split. From WP:split: if an article becomes too large...it is recommended that a split is carried out... A guideline for article size is... >100 KB almost certainly should be divided. — Rankiri (talk) 19:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it is appropriate to have slavery in both pages, the main one and this one. This page focuses on the time line of slavery, trying to put things in perspective. I modeled this page after the George Washington page. I deleted all opinions and am trying to make it as encyclopedic as possible, with just facts. I believe the page to be better then before. I hope it does not get deleted. There is so much on the main Thomas Jefferson page. That was the initial reason for the spit. As the page is now, Rankiri, do you feel it should be deleted? {Cmguy777 (talk) 21:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)}[reply]
Looks like I am getting help! I appreciate all the help I can get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmguy777 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Someone wrote a new solid intro. That is good. I plan on putting in information about Sally Hemings with a chronological format. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmguy777 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate everyones input and the continual progress of this page. More can be done and is being done. It would be good if the "deletion" and other front tags can be removed from this page to show validity. {Cmguy777 (talk) 16:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)}[reply]
Yes. I can put that in the discussion page and my talk page. The page has been expanding with good information. {Cmguy777 (talk) 18:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)} I will also put in the main talk page as well. {Cmguy777 (talk) 18:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)}[reply]
Has the deletion tag been removed yet? I wanted to remove the other tags. {Cmguy777 (talk) 20:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]