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The result was delete. wow a genuine flash mob. I wonder where that came from. Anyway, none of the newbies have come up with sources or a compelling policy based reason to keep this and the delete side was established editors with sound policy based arguments Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Virtually unknown actor outside of small roles in 3 Christian films. Little mentions in mainstream sources. SuaveArt (talk) 03:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Flywheel is indeed a little known film, but Facing the Giants is better known, and Flameproof is a major production . However, his role in Flameproof is way down among the miscellaneous cast, and he is not one of the principal characters in Facing the Giants. Taken all together the sum is insufficient notability DGG ( talk ) 16:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I move to keep the page for Tracy Goode. Sherwood Pictures is one of the most well known Christian production companies. Tracy has had leading roles in both Flywheel and Facing the Giants. He is very well known- in fact when he was at Walt Disney World a fan approached him wanting his autograph. Just read what people on his facebook page have said about him-

“I'll always be one of your biggest fans!!!”“We love his humor” “Hugggg Fan ! Love your work !” “if the genes of the great funny men of our time were manipulated in a lab to create one supernaturally funny guy, i believe strongly that man would not compare to the genius of Tracy Goode.” And many people are hoping, crossing their fingers, and asking that Tracy is selected to appear in Sherwood Pictures forth movie, Courageous. “bring back Tracy Goode, I like him, he is funny” Tracy is also an event speaker, having appeared at many men’s conference and churches. Tracy does not fit into the category of "Insufficient notability". If Tracy's page is deleated —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.210.174.146 (talk) 22:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC) — 65.210.174.146 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep I vote to keep Tracy's page. He is a hilarious actor and does a lot more than just Sherwood Pictures. As a UGA student, I know a lot of people who have seen these movies, love them, and Tracy is a favorite. This page should definitely be kept, people love this man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.32.176.239 (talk) 22:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC) — 96.32.176.239 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

See WP:ILIKEIT--SuaveArt (talk) 00:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I also believe the page for Tracy Goode should be kept on Wikipedia. The films he has starred in/produced are widely available at major retailers(Amazon.com, Wal-Mart and Sam's, all major Christian media outlets). He has a growing fan-base on Twitter and Facebook. If anything Tracy Goode's article should be expanded, not deleted. I also think that there is a great deal of irony that SuaveArt knew enough/ researched to desire the deletion of this entry, which again speaks to the popularity of Tracy Goode and not anonymity. Mikemc87 (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)— Mikemc87 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Actually I had never heard of the guy until I found the article on Fireproof (film) and researched Sherwood Pictures from there. And if you think Twitter and Facebook fans = "notability", then you might want to brush up on WP:N. A band my high school friends were in probably has more fans than this guy does. Does that mean they deserve an article?--SuaveArt (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Maybe you should brush up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people) .Tracy Goode is a comedic actor that has gained notoriety because of his unique standing as an actor/producer in three Christian films. The latest of which gained much attention because of its meager 500,000 dollar budget after which it grossed $33,456,317 nationwide, not an everyday occurrence in Hollywood. see http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fireproof.htm His involvement with Sherwood Pictures from its onset and his obvious continual involvement with this unique phenomenon (be it counterculture or "not mainstream" or not) make his wikipedia article perfectly legitimate.Mikemc87 (talk) 02:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC) — Mikemc87 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Duplicate !vote struck. Timotheus Canens (talk) 05:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Section WP:ENT suggests for entertainers: "1) Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. 2) Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." I'd say being part of 3 films, including a $33 million grossing flick, would fit.Steve03Mills (talk) 14:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Tracy does not fit into the category of "Insufficient notability". He had acting roles in all three of Sherwood's movies. The first two were not "minor" roles. He was one of the producers for all three films, and is credited as the cinematographer for Flywheel. Also, all three movies he has been part of are available at major retailers like Wal-Mart, Amazon, and Christian retailers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.39.153.20 (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC) — 134.39.153.20 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Keep – This is a close one for me. There are more sources available for him, and he did more than just acting for his three notable roles, and there are lots of other things he's been involved in. (He is best known as a sportscaster, I gather.) I plan to incorporate some of this information/sources into the article. American Eagle (talk) 01:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I've watch his movies over and over will still do when ever my valleys goes down deep his movies inspires me to pick up and hold on to God —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.28.141.104 (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC) — 41.28.141.104 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• KEEP- his awe inspiring acting abilities have earned him a right to keep him on wikipedia. I love how the movies he's in support the move of Christ ! Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.232.56.216 (talk) 15:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC) — 74.232.56.216 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Keep: if you keep this here, it will help to get the word out about the film! It is an awesome, heart touching film..please keep this here :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.99.37.46 (talk • contribs) 11:15, January 13, 2010— 174.99.37.46 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• KEEP - Not only has Sherwood Films continued to make movies that appeal to more and more of the mainstream population, Mr. Goode will continue to be in these films. His body of work is far from complete and therefore deserves to have his place kept on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortunes4 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC) — Fortunes4 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• KEEP - Tracy Goode has an extremely instrumental role in Sherwood's films. He has been there since the start of their productions and continues play a crucial part in each production through everything from acting to production work. Mr. Goode represents a growing number of independent film makers and artists who are stepping away from the main stream and producing incredible productions that are having a huge impact on the world. Why do you so quickly try to brush these people off simply because they're not working for Hollywood or a studio that's been around for decades? The world is full of creative people that have never had a chance to show what they can do. I think Tracy and other independent artists should be judged not on how much money they make, or what label they're on, or what studio they work for, but by the quality of their work and the impact it has on the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.193.198 (talk • contribs) 11:56, January 13, 2010— 71.188.193.198 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timotheus Canens (talk) 05:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Relisting comment: Despite the huge influx of SPAs (I tagged 9 in total), comments from established editors are few and split right down the middle. Under the circumstances, I think a relist may be beneficial. New users are reminded that AfD consensus is determined by the merits of the arguments, not counting votes. Arguments that are not policy-based may be ignored by the closer. Timotheus Canens (talk) 05:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- -SpacemanSpiff 05:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the voters are out in force, and although I was ready to be swayed it turns out that these three movies were produced by his own local church's media department, where he's the assistant media director. Goode appears in "rest of cast listed alphabetically" for Fireproof, which is the most notable of these movies, and although you can't really tell with the others since the cast is all listed alphabetically, I just don't see "significant roles in multiple notable films", and that's taking into account that he was a volunteer actor and the following attempt to look into his notability: there's pretty much nothing about him in the news or elsewhere: two sentences from the local TV station, mentioned in passing as one in a list of names in reviews from Variety and the Seattle Times, and a bunch of false positives. General searches like "Tracy Goode" Sherwood find his Twitter, his Facebook, passing references in posts on Christian message boards, and the like—actually a lot less than I expected to find; pretty much nothing about him alone that wasn't by him. If his roles were so important, there'd have to be something more than what I'm finding. I must say, I'm impressed with this church's aggressive use of social media for marketing, which I'd guess includes this AfD. However, the arguments above are pretty much all of the "He's funny!" or "He deserves to be notable!" variety. Whatever else he may be, unfortunately these credits and sources don't support calling Tracy Goode a notable actor.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 08:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete For failing to find significant coverage other than trivial mentions for this actor. Well, to be honest, if it weren't all these SPAs, maybe I would have remained neutral. Blodance (talk) 09:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Fairly major roles in Facing the Giants and Flywheel (part of each film's lead support cast). Per WP:ENT, he's notable enough to have an article. Filmcom (talk) 18:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -Despite all the SPAs, in consideration of notability for Christians, WP:CSB also applies to religious bias. Goode appears to have enough fans to meet notability standards in that area as well. Invmog (talk) 19:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Precisely as SuaveArt pointed out earlier; just because someone likes the article does not, in itself, make the article notable enough to keep and in the same way just because someone does not like an article does not, in itself, make the article a good candidate for deletion. Hence WP:ILIKEIT and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invmog (talk • contribs) 19:36, 16 January 2010 (UTC) Invmog (talk) 20:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Also, I just found on WP:PEOPLE (about 1/4th of the way down in the section "Any biography") it says that the biography article is notable enough if "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." And, specifically in the field of the Christian film industry it certainly looks as though the sources says Goode "has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." Although that might not settle all of the doubts of the notability of this article if those who are for deletion could list very specific improvements that could made to the article then perhaps we could work our way of this deletion discussion. Invmog (talk) 20:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No evidence these films have a large following. Coverage is limited. SPAs may not hurt case, but they don't help either Vartanza (talk) 07:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just have a look through Google News, fans for Fireproof, etc. They indeed have a large following. American Eagle (talk) 19:21, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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