The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep the main article, no clear consensus on the other articles. As two of the keep !voters said, this person does appear to have belonged to an otherwise notable band, which is a notability criterion per WP:MUSIC, and there was no real case made by the delete !voters as to why that guideline should be ignored here. While there seemed to be some support for deletion of some individual articles co-nominated with this one, that discussion wasn't thorough enough that I'd feel comfortable deleting any of them; I think it's fair to say that there's no prejudice against re-listing any of them individually. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tweedy Bird Loc[edit]

Seems to be a non-notable musician per WP:MUSIC. Also listing the following related articles:

Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Stop Deleting My Stuff! —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Tommy (talk • contribs) 19:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can't actually do the deletion, I'm not an admin. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: passes several points in WP:MUSIC. Was a member, creator and producer of the group Bloods & Crips whose albums charted and were certified gold. Also was signed to a major label (Dangerous Records). Tasc0 ^{It's a zero!} 20:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I do think that the article Fuck The South Bronx should be deleted, it's a very short article that can't go any further than an infobox and track listing. Tasc0 ^{It's a zero!} 20:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Just being a member of the Bloods & Crips doesn't make him notable; he has no notability outside the Bloods & Crips (at least none per WP:MUSIC). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - It was my understanding that being member of a notable music group, makes him notable as a solo artist. Tasc0 ^{It's a zero!} 21:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No evidence of notability, no suggestion that this artist has received non-trivial coverage by third party publications. Fails WP:MUSIC as well as the general biographical guidelines. End of story. coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 21:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, all of them fail to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 23:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all because they fail to establish notability under WP:MUSIC and so forth. JBsupreme (talk) 08:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep he produced several charting albums and at least one of the albums he produced was certified Gold. Live and Die 4 Hip Hop (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It is unclear exactly what his actual involvement with the Bloods & Crips album was, nor does what I can glean from the limited sources available about the album really qualify him under WP:MUSIC criteria. As mentioned previously, there aren't any sources available which document this person in a non-trivial way, which is the major underlying problem here. JBsupreme (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Stop trying To delete My Work! Its All Good! —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Tommy (talk • contribs) 18:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all' As they fail WP:MUSIC. Perhaps a more experienced user can counsel User:The Tommy some on notability criteria and article creation so that he may contribute constructively in future (he seems very keen). Perhaps he can even create new articles for the subjects in the future which follow the guidelines and policies. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - What is this world coming to? He's notable. Well he has created at least two albums per WP:MUSIC and he has also charted with some albums with Nationwide Rip Ridaz. I clearly understand why TPH has not received adminship after 5 tries. I'll make sure to watch his page more carefully so I oppose any more tries. --Flesh-n-Bone ^{(talk·contributions)} 12:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not personal, so please do not make a personal attack against TPH for challenging the notability of these articles. Creating two albums is not a criteria in WP:MUSIC, there are thousands of non-notable artists who have released much more than two albums. Furthermore notability is not inherited, so just because he played some unclear role with another album does not make this individual notable either. In this case, notability is defined by what non-trivial coverage the person received by third party sources. The answer is none. JBsupreme (talk) 14:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I didn't attack anyone. I just wanted to clear my opinion and show what I think. And yeah he is notable, just because he is not a world-famous Indie artist doesn't make him another unknown no-name guy. 99% of the delete voters have no idea of hip hop music. I can assume you that, and next time don't quote me because it's the last time I respond to anyone's comment.--Flesh-n-Bone ^{(talk·contributions)} 14:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have seen several recent references in Hip Hop Connection magazine which i can dig up (i believe they described him as something like "the coldest rapper of all time" which, even if you don't know rap much, you have to admit is a hell of a claim); here's his own Allmusic and also Bloods & Crips', the latter of which confirms he was actually one of onely two people behind the whole thing. Also. per Tasc0 above: yep, being member of a notable group does confer notability, as does the major label presence. tomasz. 16:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- May I ask what "major label presence" you are referring to? "Par Records" is hardly a major label. If you can dig up some non-trivial references in Hip Hop Connection or another magazine I would be willing to reconsider, but as of right now the article still has the same problems it had when it was first nominated for deletion. JBsupreme (talk) 03:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I just went through all of the delete voters and realized they are all rock-n-roll fans. It's just annoying how when they have no idea about the music still come and vote. What? I hope it's no competition. And don't respond please. --Flesh-n-Bone ^{(talk·contributions)} 19:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He is a member of a notable group and produced a gold record. That makes him notable, in my opinion. By the way, I am a huge rock fan. Radioinfoguy (talk) 21:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.