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The result was redirect to Russo-Ukrainian War. Spartaz Humbug! 10:15, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Ukrainian crisis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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Descriptive terms are not within the scope of disambiguation pages. Dangerous mountains and Fastest flowing rivers don't exist for a reason. Also, "crisis" is vague and broad. A country has numerous crises, financial, religious, demographic, etc. For example, why isn't Koliivshchyna, a 1768 peasant revolt, included? How about the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine from the Soviet Union? Clarityfiend (talk) 11:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am also nominating the following related page for the same reason:
- Russian crisis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Disambiguations, Russia, and Ukraine. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:19, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment – The former article became the dabpage as result of the RfC discussion. George Ho (talk) 11:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment – The reason this page doesn't include a list of endless potential 'Ukrainian crises' is because that's not how DAB pages work. Only things actually called 'Ukrainian crisis' in RS can be included. While this is a 'descriptive term', it has also been extensively used as a specific name for the recent crises, and is a plausible search term. I think we must retain the ability to point readers, who will no doubt use this as a search term, in the direction of the articles they want to find. RGloucester — ☎ 13:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Rebuttal. Can you provide examples of these "specific names", not just mentions of "a Ukrainian crisis" or "crisis in Ukraine"? If not, then there's a WP:OR issue here. You are trying to read the minds of readers to figure out what they're thinking/looking for. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, see for example either of these articles. And there are many more available in Google Scholar. RGloucester — ☎ 15:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Crisis is a nebulous, poorly defined term. As I noted in a related Afd discussion, Crisis links to International crisis, which states that it is "a widespread term without a single common definition." (bolding mine) Things like 2008–2009 Ukrainian financial crisis and Ukrainian political crisis (disambiguation) would also have to be included, along with who knows what else. IMO, the inclusion criteria is simply not sharp enough to be meaningful. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not how DAB pages work. Only things named in reliable sources as 'Ukrainian crisis' specifically can appear on a DAB page. See WP:DAB. RGloucester — ☎ 18:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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