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The result was redirect to Uncommitted_(voting_option)#2024:_Michigan,_Minnesota,_and_Washington where the topic is already covered, without prejudice against changing the target if consensus is reached on the target's Talk page. Super Tuesday has come and gone, and we haven't really gained much in terms of evidence of notability. There is broad consensus here that the page should not be kept as a standalone article, but views are split as to the best redirect- or merge target. I don't see any convincing argument as to why a redirect should be done over a delete; there's nothing in the page history that necessitates erasure. Since the final relist, there seems to be a consensus for this redirect, so I see little value in another relisting. Owen× ☎ 21:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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All primary sources and no evidence of WP:Sustained coverage. Can be sufficiently covered at 2024 Michigan Democratic presidential primary and Uncommitted (voting option). (Which, full disclosure, I created.) I am opposed to a redirect because the title is very vague. Esolo5002 (talk) 17:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 17:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree a redirect of this specific title is vague and could conceivably point to a number of targets (especially after the 2024 presidential election). I do not think the sourcing about individuals who decide to vote for uncommitted delegates in the Democratic primaries refer to a an organization, which is implied by the word "campaign". --Enos733 (talk) 17:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Israel–Hamas war protest vote movements where this most appropriately belong. I also presume that some material will also be added to 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries, Uncommitted (voting option) and other associated pages. --Enos733 (talk) 22:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As per the entry some Democrat voters are voting “uncommitted” because they doubt Biden’s ability/competence to fulfil the role and to defeat Trump, thus merging it into an entry on the Israel/Palestine Conflict protest vote is not wholly accurate. Eight Whales (talk) 15:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The difference is that the title includes the word "campaign," so there is some coordination and shared objectives. Now, I agree we cannot just say or even suggest that everyone who voted uncommitted in 2024 saw their vote as a protest vote about the Israel-Hamas war. - Enos733 (talk) 06:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete without redirect. Vague title, duplication of Uncommitted (voting option) #Michigan, 2024, questionable notability, and not even the most common name for this campaign. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 19:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge the content of this article with Uncommitted (voting option) and Israel–Hamas war protest vote movements, but delete this article without leaving a redirect. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 16:44, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep recieved significant coverage in many sources (dozens of media organizations) independent of the campaigners. The 2024 campaign is distinct from the general option to not vote for any candidates. Issues of content and article title should be solved with normal editing, not deletion. Furthermore, the objection about sustained coverage is hard to understand given that this campaign has been getting national media attention for at least a month now. (t · c) buidhe 20:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The article’s title isn’t clearly for the 2024 campaign. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 03:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As I said, if you disagree with the article title the correct venue is requested moves, not AfD. The article's intended topic is clear from its content. (t · c) buidhe 03:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait until super tuesday to see if this may actually be a big deal. Lukt64 (talk) 03:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems almost certain that this AFD won't be closed by then so I have no problem with this. Esolo5002 (talk) 03:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just jumping in out of curiosity, but I agree with this - next few days will be telling. Carlp941 (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete quickly. Not notable. — Red XIV (talk) 05:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't agree all of the sources are PRIMARY, but I do agree there's not sustained coverage for this. Perhaps WP:TOOSOON. SportingFlyer T·C 15:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Super tuesday made this a big deal, they have a lot of votes. Lukt64 (talk) 04:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge. Movements in general seems disorganized and varied.
- Most part of this is Israel-Hamas war protest vote movements, but depending on the state, some folks are also protesting Armenian atrocities, or simply protesting having Biden on the ticket. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 18:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Should also redirect. These campaigns all have vague and statewide names that don't necessarily agree on exactly how far to protest i.e. dont support in primary but vote in general. or abstain from voting for biden. even a minority of these campaigners are trying to argue to vote for trump to deprive votes from biden.
- Did not know if Uncommitted campaign was the correct name for this phenonomena when I first made the Israel-Hamas war protest vote movements article, but I think we should make a page redirecting from Uncommitted Movement to Israel-Hamas war protest vote. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 18:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- .. also should disclose, i wrote most of the Israel-Hamas war protest vote article User:Sawerchessread (talk) 19:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As has been said, there are at least three existing articles that extensively cover this topic and the title of the page is vague and unhelpful. AveryTheComrade (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, divided between those arguing for a Keep, a Delete or Merge. Now that Super Tuesday has passed, have opinions changed in any direction?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- this article has had no useful updates and there is no info that there is some organized national uncommitted campaign User:Sawerchessread (talk) 04:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Uncommitted (voting option), as this option did not magically originate out of nothing this year and won't disappear after, and we look down on articles dealing with overly recent detail. Nate • (chatter) 22:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Uncommitted (voting option), per Sawerchessread and MrSchimpf. Sal2100 (talk) 21:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete (1st choice): There is already Uncommitted (voting option) and Israel–Hamas war protest vote movements or Merge (2nd choice): As an ATD, considering "overlap", to one of the two above. A Redirect would be optional. -- Otr500 (talk) 07:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect or Merge per previous notes. As mentioned, Israel–Hamas war protest vote movements already outlines the topic as necessary, while this article doesn't add anything substantial. DukeOfDelTaco (talk) 21:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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