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The result was delete. I appreciate the impassioned argument to keep this article and the good faith attempt to comply with the relevant guidelines, but it seems clear this band is in the WP:UPANDCOMING category, not the "already made it" category. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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There appears to be one or two links that interview Luke Mathers. No real significant coverage of this band appears to exist: reviews of albums and/or concert tours? I don't see that. I also see youtube listed as references, as well as the same article repeatedly cited (don't let the raw number of "sources" fool you!). Further, external links is filled with every possible site to find the band: YouTube, Facebook, ReverbNation, Twitter, on and on and on. Clearly promotional in tone.

Without significant links showing significant coverage, there's no indication that this band is particularly notable, or that they pass WP:MUSICBIO, or that this article exists in any fashion except to call attention to the band. — Timneu22 · talk 15:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:BAND, band without even an an album released yet. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Geesh! I (nominator) didn't even notice that! — Timneu22 · talk 16:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• rael_electrique: Points taken into consideration. This draft is being improved. The band have received significant coverage as you will see Fault are a major London magazine (http://www.faultmagazine.com), and the interview is cited. The band have toured high profile venues with major acts as cited here showing one such ticket from a major promoter. http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1375.snc4/164781_10150114655245815_116745230814_7590566_170827_n.jpg The band have been played regularly on national radio in many countries. The sources for some of these are youtube, I gather this isn't verifiable? Okay, they will be verified then. Please don't treat the article with contempt, everything in here is true and verifiable and the band meet the criteria for inclusion under Wikipedia's terms as far as I'm reading. Changes need to be made, that's all. Having a full length LP released is only one of many criteria which may be met. Many others on that list are cited. The External Links have been cleaned up to remove Youtube, Twitter, Facebook style links. The article does not cite only 2 interviews, there are 5 or 6 with major credible third party music magazines. The band have been licensed on major network TV, as cited in the other media category with 3rd party links.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rael electrique (talk • contribs) 16:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• rael_electrique: "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album". I will prove all 3 of these criteria to start with.
  1. Theme for "Le Stream" TV show in Canada hosted by comedian Yan Theriault. Syndicated on over 10 stations. Cited on article.
  2. Included in a notable television show by Surfline TV on ESPN. See 40,000+ web views alone on their site. http://www.surfline.com/surflinetv/punt-of-the-month/leif-engstroms-540_51198
  3. Included on compilation album released by Modirn Records New York. See here on CD baby or the label's website. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/modernreccomp4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rael electrique (talk • contribs) 16:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The Fault magazine interview looks ok in terms of the publication but it seems to be the only thing that could be considered significant coverage in a reliable source, or at least it might if it wasn't just the band members talking about themselves, with no independent commentary. I don't see that WP:MUSIC is satisifed here. If their previous band had been notable there may have been a case for retaining some of the content, but that one looks equally unconvincing regarding notability.--Michig (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The previous band's article proves itself notable by Wikipedia's criteria having been released by EMI, and cited verifiable proof of licensing by major TV networks such as Sky, National Geographic, BBC, amongst other criteria. This article has been cleaned up as per the user's above guidelines, as in removal of excessive external links, youtube sources, and added verification as to major national radio, touring major venues with major acts, inclusion in network TV, compilation albums,etc. All these criteria are in line with WP:MUSIC as far as I can read, and proven beyond subjectivity in the current draft. Nobody is making reference to the fact that Under The Radar Magazine is one of the world's most influential indie music magazines, which recently included a song by this band in their Best of 2010 edition. This certainly qualifies as per WP:MUSIC as a credible source. To quote specifically why the band are notable I will point to "a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.". The band are playing major venues with major acts, example here @Scala London with Bloc Party. "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album". Evidence of all 3 are cited. A theme song on "Le Stream", a show by Canadian Hall of Fame comedian Yan Theriault. Notable use of a song on ESPN by Surfline TV, as cited even the web version has 40,000+ views. Inclusion on a compilation album in New York by Modirn Records. 11.Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. This is totally irrefutable as it is cited directly on the websites of national UK stations such as Amazing Radio, aswell as any number of direct show notes links to internationally syndicated stations such as Maximum Threshold which airs all over the US. Youtube has not been used to cite radioplay for the article's purpose, but if anyone should continue to doubt the credability of the radioplay there are many examples on www.youtube.com/unquietnights also. If further weight to this case is needed, I will point out that the band have been covered (as cited), by multiple reputable, independent, established music magazines exactly as described in WP:MUSIC with a history of impartial coverage. I appreciate the article was not perfect but I hope I have illustrated that this band qualify as per Wikipedia's guideline on atleast 3 criteria.--rael_electrique (talk) 03:04, 19 January 2011 (GMT)
  • The problem here is lack of significant coverage of the band - there's nothing to suggest that this exists in Under the Radar magazine from the citations in the article. Why is the compilation on Modirn Records notable (it doesn't seem to be a particularly notable label, with releases sold via cdbaby). Amazing Radio is not a major station and is not available to the whole of the UK (other than via the internet) and it's clear from their website that they specialise in unsigned artists and that any band can upload music to get it played. What exactly is 'Le Stream'? It looks like web content.--Michig (talk) 07:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • You are completely wrong that Amazing Radio is not a national radio station. It is one of the 6 major stations in the UK, is classed as a national in every possible listing. It is a few presets to the left of BBC Radio 1 if you're in any car with a digital radio. Any song registered with PRS and played on Amazing qualifies for royalty payment. It's a relatively new station being founded I think in 2003, you can't disqualify it because you yourself have never heard of it. Maximum Threshold is syndicated in 4 major US cities. Under The Radar Magazine is one of the most important music magazines worldwide and I have proven inclusion by linking to a photo of the page with our album cover. You're ignoring the fact that I have also proven evidence the band are touring nationally in major venues with major acts. We can argue and be pedantic for a long time about this. But I will state again WP:MUSIC No.11 which is that an act "must have been placed on rotation by a national radio station". And to quote Amazing Radio directly "Welcome to Amazing Radio, the only national radio station dedicated exclusively to playing emerging and independent music." The way I found Amazing myself was listed under National Radio in the PRS handbook. I will add that the band have been played many times on BBC which I can't immediately find online proof of. Your assertion that Amazing Radio is only available online is 100% false though. It's a national station available anywhere in the United Kingdom. --rael_electrique (talk) 17:54, 19 January 2011 (GMT)
      • Amazing Radio may be available to most of the UK via DAB but certainly is not one of the 6 major stations in the UK (e.g. several BBC stations, Planet Rock, XFM). The only evidence of coverage in Under the Radar is inclusion of a track on a free CD - if there's more coverage then it would be useful if you could present it. What evidence is there that this band has been 'placed in rotation' by Amazing Radio (i.e. not just played by them)? There's a significant difference.--Michig (talk) 18:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Amazing Radio is classified as major national officially. WP:MUSIC does not require analogue radio stations only, as you know DAB is the prevailing format now. I'll assume I cannot cite it in the article, but if you personally would like to be assured the band get regular analogue I don't know why you won't consult the youtube channel to be personally satisfied. Rather than argue the fact with you of Amazing Radio's legitimacy as a National station, or your opinions about record labels and established music blogs, I will assert that it is verifiable that the band are touring internationally in major venues. ^[1][2] The second link is a scan of the concert ticket by an established promoter, for a major venue, with a major headliner. To be included on the Best of Year sampler for a major worldwide music magazine is more proof of notability than you're giving credit too. The weight of this case will build and I will cite proof of BBC Radio 1 play when I can find a way. It's not obvious how that would be proved online apart from uploading to youtube or showing e-mails from BBC DJ's? There are 5 music blogs cited which are established in different countries, showing subjective coverage of the band. The WP:MUSIC page only requires 1 criteria to be satisfied. --rael_electrique (talk) 00:17, 20 January 2011 (GMT)
          • DAB is not the prevailing format. Far from it, as this article makes clear - 10 million DAB radios in the UK compared to 150 million FM radios - any station that is only on DAB is a minority one compared to those that broadcast nationally on FM. Please re-read WP:MUSIC as none of the criteria there appear to be currently satisfied.--Michig (talk) 18:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • See also this, and this from RAJAR gives a good indication of those stations that can be considered 'major' in the UK.--Michig (talk) 19:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per the lack of reliable sources. I agree with Michig (talk · contribs)'s arguments above that the band having a DAB format does not establish notability. That the band hasn't even released an album yet (per Andrew Lenahan) means that it fails WP:MUSIC. Cunard (talk) 07:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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