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The result was delete Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:47, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wife and Wife[edit]

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Search for reliable third-party sources turns up nothing. All I could find are illegal scanlation websites or self-published blogs that would not pass WP:SPS as established experts in the field of manga, whose work has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. Fails both WP:NOTE and WP:NBOOK. Disputed PROD with nothing more than a plot expansion and addition of two user generated content websites —Farix (t | c) 09:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm...I did add cites to certain parts of the page and also based all the information on what I'd read from the manga. --GlitchyM. (talk) 12:58, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First, I advice you read Wikipedia's content policies, as your talk page history clearly show that you have problems citing sources and engaging in original research. In the above article, you cited two user generated contest websites, which are not reliable sources. Secondly, those source only directory entries which do not fall without the "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" requirement for inclusion. —Farix (t | c) 14:12, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Unable to find significant coverage in either Japanese or English. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:11, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete The "Characters" section, which currently comprises the majority of the article, appears to have been copy-pasted from myanimelist.net, which is currently offline for maintenance but it seems highly unlikely that they copied us when our article was created four days ago and the mirrored content is on their site spread out across multiple pages.[1][2][3][4][5] Even when "consensus" at an AFD is unanimous keep, if it turns out the article was a COPYVIO the result is usually deletion. Given the plagiarism, Dream Focus (talk · contribs) and GlitchyM. (talk · contribs) should probably both be trouted for this. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I had no way of knowing it was a copyvio. I was, as I have many times in the past, taking an article deleted on Wikipedia and preserved it over at the manga wikia. Only one editor contributed anything to the article, so with his consent to have his work over there, I just moved it there. When that site comes back up I'll check and see if its copy pasted or not. Of course you only know found yoru way here because you are still stalking me despite an administrator telling you to avoid interacting with me. Dream Focus 12:21, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually an administrator advised me not to interact with you because ... reasons ... and not to bring up your past copyright violations again unless it became an issue again. Weird thing is, though, that I didn't bring up your past copyright violations (the editor alluded to here was the one who got the most points in Wikipedia Asian Month last year, two months before my first interaction with you) even though it did come up again after less than a week. You really should be more careful about helping other editors circumvent our deletion policy when their edits look like copyright violation (the article doesn't look like it was written for Wikipedia; the portions of text I Googled and linked above look like they were written for an anime fan site, which should make any experienced Wikipedian, particularly a Wikipedian who regularly participates in AFDs and discusses copyright problems, suspicious), let alone "owning" said contribs by copying them off-site yourself. Please be more careful in the future, and please stop using AFD as a forum to attack other editors. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This Wikipedia article looks just like many other Wikipedia articles of its type, I having no way of knowing if it was taken from another site or not. I did not do any "owning" of them, I clearly stated in the edit summary http://manga.wikia.com/wiki/Wife_and_Wife?action=history (All information by GlitchyM who asked this to be moved over here). Dream Focus 12:54, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"own" as in "take responsibility for; take under one's wing": my comment wouldn't make sense under the reading you are going out of your way to adopt, so stop wikilawyering over semantics. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Dream Focus: I didn't "call you out" or "pick a fight".[6] I pinged you in order to politely draw your attention to the "Hey, you seem to have inadvertently backed up a copyvio article onto another wiki; you might wanna address that". You chose to interpret this in the worst light and turn it into a "fight". I tried to collapse it so we could all move on with our lives. If you are not actually just here to "fight" then you should want this side-show collapsed, the article speedy-deleted, this AFD closed, and your manga.wikia mirror deleted. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:18, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've posted this to ANRFC. To add a final note, I think the project really should put more emphasis on that aspect of the spirit, if not necessarily the letter, of WP:BEFORE that encourages checks to see if articles should be speedied rather than opening AFDs. A simple read of the article should send up red flags for any experienced editor that this text was not originally created for Wikipedia, simply by virtue of it not reading like a Wikipedia article. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hijiri88: More efficient would have been simply placing a ((db-g12)) template at the top of the page (and commenting in the edit summary as to the matter already having been discussed here)... CSD usually takes precedence (especially in obvious cases) per WP:NOTABUREAUCRACY. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 02:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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