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The result was delete. The keep arguments are not supported by policy--they basically amount to HE EXISTS. DGG ( talk ) 00:25, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Papaursa (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable fighter. Does not come even close to meeting either WP:NBOX or WP:NMMA or WP:GNG. PRehse (talk) 12:20, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak Keep ^{19:02, 12 September 2017 (UTC)} Keep - UFC pro-fighter, unbeaten pro-mixed martial arts - several RS satisfy WP:V ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, he doesn't compete in the UFC. Papaursa (talk) 23:17, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused...what is this? It claims to be ufc.com so please explain. ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:40, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Ultimate Fighter show is essentially a tryout for fighters. The winner receives a UFC contract. The show's bouts are considered exhibition fights and do not count towards notability. Neither the UFC nor any other organization includes these fights in the fighter's record. It's like a minor league baseball all-star game where the participants are hoping to impress the scounts to get an invitation to the big leagues. Papaursa (talk) 02:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thx Papaursa, I downgraded to a weak keep because while his BLP may very well be too soon, he did get the attention of the top tier, was added to the cast and fought in (lost) a highly notable UFC promotion. ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:08, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So you're not deterred by the fact that he lost in the first round and doesn't appear to meet any notability criteria? This claim looks like WP:BLP1E. Papaursa (talk) 20:03, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think he's passes, but will go with whatever consensus determines. I think his being the Xcessive Force Fighting Champion qualifies him, as does the fact that he was added to the UFC cast, and the articles like this one by Gerbasi of UFC, and the interview by Fight Network, and USA Today Sports, the Fox Sports replay, the Journal de Montreal article, and the MMA Weekly article "Biggest Upset in TUF History Happened This Week", and numerous other articles in 3rd party RS (some in French and other languages). If he wasn't notable, we would not see headlines like the "Biggest Upset in TUF History" when he lost the UFC fight. ^{Atsme📞📧} 01:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

UFC.com is not an independent source and the other sources you mention are passing mentions or routine sports reporting on his one TUF fight. In the past, appearing on TUF hasn't been considered enough to show a fighter was notable--even if he won a fight. I would consider redirecting this article to The Ultimate Fighter: Tournament of Champions. Ignoring the SPAs, I just don't think he merits an individual article at this time. Papaursa (talk) 02:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Many of the sources are not independent or reliable, while the rest are just routine sports reporting. He has no top tier fights so he fails to meet the notability criteria for MMA fighters at WP:NMMA. At best this article was created WP:TOOSOON. Papaursa (talk) 23:17, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - All content on his wikipedia is well referenced, he signed a contratc with ACB, his first fight is On Oct 14 in Montreal, 2 other fights are scheduled for early 2018. He is a flyweight Champion from xffc8. I think his page should Not be deleted. This page is well presented and should stay! Lodovich 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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• Keep -clearly all information is referenced, he was part on a UFC tv show TUF24 , undefeated Canadian pro MMA fighter. signed a contract with ACB ( a growing Russian sport league in the MMA industry.) Page is very well set up, presented and professional. Most definitely keep, he is an Athlete that is making his proof in the mixed martial art world User:juliering 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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• Comment This discussion appears to be attracting new users who don't understand the notability criteria for MMA fighters. Simply being a pro MMA fighter (or any other athlete) is not sufficient to show notability. See WP:NMMA for the notability criteria for MMA fighters. They also don't realize that routine sports coverage does not make someone notable. Papaursa (talk) 02:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I did read and I do understand the notability aspect of the WP:NMMA Yes he doesn’t meet the criteria/characteristics but it should be used as a guideline. He is a ACB signed Athlete. I do understand that ACB is considered a second tier promoter but they have come a long way in the industry. I also understand that some uniformity is expected on the pages created. I do respect any outcome and decision that will be taken for his page. However, I do hope that members are willing to be innovative by keeping his page. juliering 12 September 2017 (UTC)
• Keep In reference to other previous comments, I have reviewed the page from a professional standpoint. The page for Yoni Sherbatov is very well written and the facts being presented within it are well referenced also. WP:NMMA I do read and understand that he does not meet these certain requirements. He is a well known within the MMA and boxing community as a well respected fighter. I think that there should be a mid-level category for fighters that arent at the top elite status. As to appreciate all fighters at different points within their fighting status. I think many other people would benefit from these changes being made too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.37.187.94 (talk • contribs) 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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What you seem to be saying is that although he doesn't meet any WP notability criteria, he should have an encyclopedia article anyway. Being "mid-level" and "well respected" doesn't distinuguish him from millions of other people in other professions. It's true that if we ignore the notability criteria "many other people would benefit from these changes being made" (if your goal is to include as many people as possible), but that's not WP's goal. Papaursa (talk) 20:03, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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