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Category:Cities exterminated in more then 50%

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The result of the debate was delete, arbitrary inclusion criteria & otherwise ill-conceived. --cjllw ʘ TALK 03:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cities exterminated in more then 50% (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Arbitrary category (why pick 50% as threshold). Bad English for the name. Numbers for specific cities will always be open to debate. Balcer 00:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Johnbod 01:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - this reminds me of Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 27#Cities destroyed during World War II and subcategories. Carcharoth 19:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. I think there is something special in situation where more then 1 in 2 people from the specific place are killed within few years. This creates new quality and should somehow recognizable. How do you propose to make it visible? This category came to mind when I edited article about my mother birthplace. Do you know many towns where 90% of population (5400 out of 6000) was removed during WW2? Cautious 20:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional damsels in distress

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The result of the debate was delete, ill-defined. --cjllw ʘ TALK 04:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional damsels in distress (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Subjective inclusion criteria. What constitutes a damsel? Or distress for the matter? Does the fact that Zelda and Amy Rose fight back these days make them non-damsels? Also, why is this grouping notable? Doesn't the article damsel in distress cover the topic succinctly? ~ZytheTalk to me! 18:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To save Otto etc the trouble, I'll ask you to define "young", "nubile", "dire" & "villain" here. Johnbod 03:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dharmic_religions

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The result of the debate was Closed due to WP:FORUMSHOP. The nominator has nominated the same subject for RFC and AFD at the same time in the effort to get a sympathetic audience. I came here via the Request for Comment. Am closing until RFC is resolved. Balloonman 03:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dharmic_religions Highly overused phrase on Wikipedia. If the mere existence of the phrase as a Wikiedia article is already very doubtful (See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dharmic_religion) then the category should have certainly no place in Wikipedia. See Wikipedia_talk:Hinduism-related_topics_notice_board#Dharmic_Religions.Andries 17:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category names do not have to be recognised and referenced phrases in themselves; most in fact are not. Johnbod 20:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nevertheless, I think we should avoid propagating neologisms, especially those that might be politically motivated - at least according to the only RS reference to 'dharmic religions'. Hornplease 00:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If it is approporiately descriptive, why would there be a problem with it's naming? 132.205.44.5 01:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Al-Gaddafi International Prize for Human Rights

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The result of the debate was delete.--Mike Selinker 16:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Recipients of the Al-Gaddafi International Prize for Human Rights (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - overcategorization by award. This does not appear to be among the most prestigious awards and being a recipient of the award does not appear to be a defining characteristic for the people who received it. There is a list in the article for the award. Otto4711 16:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • And the reliable sources that indicate the award is notable would be...? The article itself is sourced by the home page for the award and Google pickings are pretty slim. Otto4711 18:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That depends on what you search, there are many different spellings on "Gaddafi". /Slarre 18:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I'm going by the spelling that's in the article and category name. Were you planning on, oh I don't know, maybe offering any reliable sources? Otto4711 19:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quoting from WP:OC: In general, the winners of all but the most notable awards should be put in a list rather than a category. It may be useful to note the awards in the recipients' article. If an award doesn't have an article, it certainly doesn't need a category (and not every award that has an article needs a category). I'm not seeing the sources that indicate that this award is among the most notable. Otto4711 04:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mike Gravel

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The result of the debate was delete. Bduke 04:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mike Gravel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - as below, eponymous overcategorization. Otto4711 16:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mike Huckabee

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The result of the debate was delete. Bduke 04:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mike Huckabee (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. Otto4711 16:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political views by candidate

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The result of the debate was rename to category:Political positions of politicians. Everybody wants it to change, but the proposed renomination to "potential 2008 American presidential candidates" makes maintenance of the category unworkable, as candidates will drop in and out of the race over the coming year. This is better as an evergreen umbrella category like category:Career achievements of sportspeople. I picked "positions" rather than "views" because more of the articles use that terminology, and the rest of the article names should also be standardized, but that's not an issue for this page.--Mike Selinker 16:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Political views by candidate to Category:Political views by politician
Nominator's rationale: Rename - not every "politician" is a "candidate." Otto4711 16:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Political views by politician (typo in suggested name?) (change) BencherliteTalk 00:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, the point raised below about the US Presidential aspirations of all the members of this category had eluded me. A rename along those lines would be better, I agree, such as Category:Political views of potential 2008 American presidential candidates as Johnbod suggests. BencherliteTalk 22:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can happily wear Category:Political views of potential 2008 American presidential candidates Ephebi 11:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC).[reply]
  • I strongly oppose renaming to restrict to current presidential candidates. To the best of my knowledge, Pat Buchanan is not a potential 2008 presidential candidate. It is unclear where an article like Political views of Pat Buchanan on global affairs would go if this category were renamed to restrict it. There was also a similar article for Colin Powell, although it seems to have disappeared, which would also not have a home should this be restricted to 2008 presidential candidates. If there are similar articles for politicians outside the US then this category, renamed per the nomination, can hold them as well and should the category expand sufficiently then a breakdown by country would be appropriate. Otto4711 00:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • If Pat Buchanan's views have no presidential relevance then don't fit the WP criteria of WP:N for having a page on their own. In this case his biography page would be the place to link in his edicts & pronouncements (although his page already appears to hold plenty) Ephebi 07:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The notion that the poitical views of potential presidential candidates are the only ones worth having articles about is bizarre. Why wouldn't under WP:SUMMARY such an article be warranted for a political commentator and former presidential candidate? Are you further suggesting that the views pages for candidates be deleted as they drop out of the race? It certainly seems that way based on your statement. Are you further suggesting that it is impossible for a US politician who is not a presidential candidate to have political positions substantial enough to warrant a separate page? Otto4711 13:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reductio ad absurdum? The current discussion is about the category, not the page itself. Though yes, I might question the relevance of keeping a page on his platform and policies from 8 years ago, WP:ILIKEIT is no grounds. As a commentator he seems to have some influence and personally I'd find it logical and easier if any relevant issues be contextualised & folded back into his bio ( which already seems to duplicate his 'views' page). Rightly, we already have plenty of pages dedicated to significant political thought from people who have had the platform or the brains - such Marxism , Mein Kampf or Neoconservatism. Anyone take bets on there one day being an equivalent 'Buchananism'? 8-) Ephebi 13:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no idea whether Buchanan's personal political philosophy will endure, neither is that question relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is whether altering this category will cause the article that currently exists to become uncategorized or uncategorizable. If this is deleted then the Buchanan page will be left only in the rather vague Category:Paleoconservatism. Otto4711 18:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yup, if it must sit somewhere then there seems about right to me. Ephebi 16:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ron Paul

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 18:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ron Paul (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. Doesn't meet the exception laid out in the guideline and everything is appropriately interlinked and categorized. Otto4711 15:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ted Stevens

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 18:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ted Stevens (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. Does not meet the exception laid out at the guideline and the small amount of material is all appropriately interlinked and categorized. Otto4711 12:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Islamic thinkers and activists

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The result of the debate was delete, redundant with existing cat schemes, and evident bad-faith creation to boot. --cjllw ʘ TALK 04:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Islamic thinkers and activists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Tendentious, bad-faith creation by User:The Bully Boy ("I am The Bully Boy. I like bullying people. I am a Christian.") for purpose of adding 9/11 hijackers and Al-Qaeda members,[2][3][4][5][6][7] presumably to imply synonymity between "Islamic thinker"/"Islamic activist" and "terrorist". Moreover redundant, as Category:Islamic scholars, Category:Muslim activists and Category:Muslim scholars suffice for any legitimate entries that might've been added." --Rrburke(talk) 09:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fields of History and Category:History by topic

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The result of the debate was keep both (and no merge), with tighter inclusion criteria documented at respective category pages. A valid and formal (if sometimes overlapping) distinction is served by having these separate. Sorting of entries and subcats can be pursued as an ongoing exercise, so NFA there.--cjllw ʘ TALK 09:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fields of History (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Fields of History (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:History by topic (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • I've added an explanation of the the fields category, which I'll reproduce here:
  • "Fields of history" refers to the categories professional historians use to classify their broad areas of work within the overall discipline of history. Some of these categories (e.g., cultural history, social history, intellectual history) refer to historical method rather than specific topic of study, while others coincide or partially overlap with the practical classification of history by topic.--ragesoss 15:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good, now can you expand on the 'history by topic' category explanation so it says more than just it is not 'fields of history'. And also move all the sub-categories and articles, as required, to their correct location--field or topic. I was trying to do this, but you know this much better. Hmains 19:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what can be said about "History by topic"; it seems pretty self-explanatory, and it's Wikipedia's own ad-hoc categorization, not something that mirrors use elsewhere. I've removed all the subcategories I thought were out of place in the two categories.--ragesoss 19:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is "topics" we're talking about, yes? I agree, but argue the opposite for "fields" below. Johnbod 15:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The articles in "Fields" do meet this description, & cover the historiography, but the categories (except one or two) don't. This is too confusing. All the block topic sub-cats like Category:Art history in "Fields" should be removed, and added to "Topics", if they aren't there already. "Fields" then should just contain Art history & maybe one or two others. Johnbod 15:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That would be acceptable, although I think leaving the subcategories in is more useful. Overlap is not a fatal problem. Also, I think there is a distinction between an article on a field and an article on historiography; while some of these articles do discuss historiography, that's not strictly what qualifies them for the "fields of history" cat. But there's enough overlap that it wouldn't be horrible if that's what we did (i.e., put only explicit historiography subcategories into "fields of history").--ragesoss 03:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Role-playing video game series

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The result of the debate was delete, redundant. Update contents with Category:Role-playing video games +/or Category:Video game franchises as appte. --cjllw ʘ TALK 09:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Role-playing video game series (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The category serves no purpose, as series tend to have their own categories which get listed in Category:Role-playing video games. SharkD 00:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video games with sequels

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The result of the debate was delete, nondefining. --cjllw ʘ TALK 08:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games with sequels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Non-definitive. At most, the game serves as the start of a series of games, in which case it should be moved into Category:Video game franchises. -Sean Curtin 04:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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