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Category:Michelin Guide starred chefs

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. My understanding is that stars are awarded to restaurants, not to individual chefs. If a chef leaves a starred restaurant the star does not follow the chef to his next job. If I am mistaken about this then I will withdraw the nomination but if not then people shouldn't be categorized by awards that aren't actually theirs. Buck Winston (talk) 22:47, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Michelin stars are indeed given to the restaurant, but based on the work of the head chef. It is the quality of the food (= the quality of the chef) that is awarded. When a head chef leaves, the restaurant will (in 98% of all cases) loose its star(s). See for example Parkheuvel, that lost two of its three stars when the head chef left. As a recurring theme, I have summerize some comments here: User:The Banner/Michelin restaurants. On the other hand: a chef formerly awarded and now working in another restaurant, is far likely to get his star back quickly. Example: Hof van Sonoy >> Sonoy or Le Mérinos d'Or >> Herberg Onder de Linden. Michelin knows the quality of the chef, so they follow him/her. Another clear example: Henk Savelberg The Banner talk 23:00, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So I am correct that the star does not follow the chef to the next restaurant, yes? The two stars that Parkheuvel lost were not re-assigned to the head chef's next job? Buck Winston (talk) 23:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, because the head chef retired. And the new head chef, although formerly cooking at 2-star level, had to proof himself again so got just 1 star (and 2 years later his second, just as before) The Banner talk 23:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As you can see in the article about Henk Savelberg: restaurant Vreugd en Rust lost its star after head chef Savelberg left. But it got is star back after Savelberg had proven still to cook at 1-ster level when he returned. Restaurant Seinpost lost its star in 1989, when Savelberg left. It took the restaurant to 2006 to get the star back... So: no chef, no star. In effect, it is the chef who gets the star.The Banner talk 23:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Women at Princeton editathon

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No need for this category, which includes only a single meetup page. The meetup page is already categorized by year and geographic location. What purpose does this category serve? Another Believer (Talk) 22:43, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Various American musicians of x descent cats

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Amerian musicians of European descent

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:05, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Subiaco, Western Australia

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Over categorisation. Subiaco is an inner city suburb that just happens to have Perth's two biggest maternity hospitals in it, so lots of people are born in Subiaco and then have nothing else to do with the suburb in their entire life other than watching football there. Upmerge to Category:People from Perth, Western Australia The-Pope (talk) 17:44, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was born in Waratah, New South Wales and spent 6 years in that suburb being educated at Newcastle Boys' High School but I don't consider myself "from" there for any reason. For the first 18 years of my life I lived in New Lambton South (7 years attending New Lambton South Public School) and while I am "originally from" there, I consider myself to be "from" Raymond Terrace, New South Wales because that's where I've lived for the past 20.6 years. In the days when people were born, grew up and lived their lives within miles of their birthplace (and often were born at home), claiming to be from somewhere because you were born there may have had some meaning. Today though, some babies spend as little as a day in the local public hospital before going home so the suburb of birth means nothing and simply being born in a suburb doesn't make you from that suburb. Cyclopia's comments about his girlfriend demonstrate a fundamental difference in the way that being "from" is applied. Manhattan is a borough covering an area of 59.5 km2 (23 sq mi) with a population of almost 1.6 million. It's not at all similar to Subiaco, Western Australia, which is a tiny Australian suburb covering only 3.2 km2 (1 sq mi) with a population of just over 8,000. To claim "my girlfriend is born in Manhattan, but she lived in New Jersey" is more like claiming "My girlfriend is born in Perth, but she lived in South Australia" than "my girlfriend is born in Subiaco". --AussieLegend (✉) 05:28, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And the City of Subiaco may be called a "city", but is really just a local government area the manages a few suburbs within Perth's metropolitan region - City of Subiaco's 2010 population was approx 20,000 over an area of 7.0 km² (2.7 sq mi); compared to Perth: 2011 population 1.74 million over an area of 5386 km² (2,079.5 sq mi), both figures inclusive of the City of Subiaco. (naming standards dictate that WA LGAs are named "City of", "Town of", or "Shire of"). Anyway, the category is people from Subiaco, Western Australia, not the City of Subiaco. - Evad37 (talk) 01:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, it seems this is the consensus interpretation here and it's fine by me. That said, what are the objective criteria for "people born in x"? I am sorry if I was confused about this, but I don't know what is the guideline about that. Thank you! --Cyclopiatalk 20:39, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sexton High School alumni

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:07, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Montenegrin people of Albanian descent

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Russian people of Latvian descent

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Chechen emigrants to the United States

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Emigrant categories are indeed by country, not nationality.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pyramids albums

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Pyramids (band) albums. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Stumbled across this albums-by-band category while doing some work in Category:Pyramids, where it had been placed by mistake. Would WP:SMALLCAT not apply? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:17, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anime films by date of first release

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The result of the discussion was: rename with "debuts" in final six categories.--Mike Selinker (talk) 09:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Anime films by date of first release to Category:Anime films by date
  • Propose renaming Category:Anime films by decade of first release to Category:Anime films by decade
  • Propose renaming Category:Anime films by year of first release to Category:Anime films by year
  • Propose renaming Category:Anime by date of first release to Category:Anime by date
  • Propose renaming Category:Anime by decade of first release to Category:Anime by decade
  • Propose renaming Category:Anime by year of first release to Category:Anime by year
  • Propose renaming Category:Manga by date of first release to Category:Manga by date
  • Propose renaming Category:Manga by decade of first release to Category:Manga by decade
  • Propose renaming Category:Manga by year of first release to Category:Manga by year
Nominator's rationale: To match the naming schemes of Category:Films by date, Category:Japanese films by date, and every other Category:Works by date subcategory. While these categories were originally conceive to include only the years of the first release of the works, editors got carried away and added started adding the subcategories for every spin-off, sequel, re-make, etc. That is because anime and manga articles will cover multiple media with each media release being categorized. For example, Mardock Scramble is a manga series with three film adaptations that were released over a period of three years. A similar example is Shugo Chara! which has three anime adaptations, and three different magna series. All of which are included in one more more subcategories of the above categories. Thus "of first release" is now misleading. —Farix (t | c) 22:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would support an alternative rename to shorten the anime and manga categories to match the worldwide ones in Category:Television series debuts by date, i.e. Category:Anime debuts by date, Category:Anime debuts by decade, Category:Anime debuts by year, Category:Manga debuts by date, Category:Manga debuts by decade, Category:Manga debuts by year. Comics categories use "debuts" in each year category, but the parent is simply Category:Comics by year. For magazines, the equivalent is Category:Magazines by year of establishment; I do not suggest that manga should follow that form as it is more longwinded, and is intended for publications that typically run longer than manga. – Fayenatic London 15:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted from CFD 2012 October 31 to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American people of Asian descent

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 19:09, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there are exceptions, but that is only because they have not been sorted to the "Booian of Fooian descent" format. In a few cases, such as the "Kurdish people of Turkey" (which would probably be better than Category:Turkish Kurdish people), that standard needs to be adjusted. The Kurds are an ethnicity split between at least three nation-states. The fact that exceptions exist is no reason to perpetuate them. WE had a long series of noms 2 or 3 years ago, which converted most of these dual natioanlity categories to the "Booian of Fooian descent" format. We should stick to that. Category:French Armenians ought to be renamed to Category:French people of Armenian descent. On my talk page you raise Israeli and Iraqi categories. They are clearly on the continent of Asia, but might be better in a category from the Midlde East. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As you will see in some cases we have both. People have thought over the terms and realized the the x people of y descent does not always work. The French Armenians and French people of Armenian descent categories give explanations of why we have both. We also have Category:British Asian people as a sub-cat of Category:British people of Asian descent. That is a bigger mess because the British census uses Asian and Chinese as two different terms. There are other categories like Category:American Romani people. That should clearly not be renamed because it is for ethnic Romani in the US, not just people who have some Romani ancestry. The argument here is that there is a distinction in kind between being of a given descent and being of a given ethnic group. This is why we have Category:Pennsylvania Dutch people and Category:American people of Pennsylvania Dutch descent. Also with the Metis people and Metis descent categories. In general we do not split people so finely, but some ethnic groups so clearly exist in some countries that such distinction is workable. See also Category:Russian people by ethnic or national origin to get a fuller sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American actors of Asian descent

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:10, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Asian American movement activists

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (But renaming to Category:Asian-American movement activists just to clean up the capitalization and hyphenation issues. If anyone wants to scream at me over this, scream away and I will revert it.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:54, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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