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Category:Digital health

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I can't be bothered looking for the right link justifying the deletion. The cat is absurd on its face. Bbb23 (talk) 22:45, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Visual artists from Indianapolis, Indiana

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The result of the discussion was: rename. No need for merger to Visusl artists as that now has many subcats, and articles should be in one of those. – Fayenatic London 22:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This is the only "Visual artists from X" category, and it sticks out to have this one category be for a single city. LukeSurl t c 21:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Evangelical and Reformed Americans

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 23:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category could easily be confused as the cross-section of Evangelical, Reformed, and American people when it is in fact a denominational and nationality category. JFH (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: is just membership of a church a good reason for classification at all? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:08, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think not! But I will wait to see what other people have to say about this particular entity. Right now I lean delete. --Lquilter (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Most of these are ministers, so we could rename Category:American Evangelical and Reformed ministers, though there are other membership only categories.--JFH (talk) 14:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Christian festivals and holy days

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 23:58, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:: the term 'festival' is hardly ever used when it comes to Christian religious holy days, so I would propose to remove this. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:14, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For example, the Feast of Christ the King is a festival and not a holy day. Holy days are the days marked as solemnities in the Missal. Feasts and memorials are only considered to be holy days if there is an overriding reason to make them solemnities. Taking the same example, if a parish or a church is dedicated to "Christ the King", then the day of the Feast becomes a Solemnity and, for that community the day is a holy day. But for the rest of the Church to which the community belongs, it remains a feast day. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Christian holidays

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 00:00, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:: The meaning of the category titles is very similar and also the content of Category:Christian holidays is nearly all included in Category:Christian festivals and holy days already. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:14, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(Note: see also the proposal just above, to remove 'festivals' from the parent category name.) Marcocapelle (talk) 16:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Station (Australian agriculture)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The category is a set category, not a topic category, so should be named in the plural, per WP:CAT#General conventions. See also the discussion at WP:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Categorization of homesteads, pastoral leases and stations. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Calvinist theology

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: While "Calvinism" is still a popular term for the Reformed tradition, "Calvinist theology" is pretty rare. See this ngram. I cannot find any books on "Calvinist theology " but there are several on Reformed theology, Reformed dogmatics, etc. Please note that we have been using the Calvinism category tree for a broad religious tradition, rather than any narrower conception which might be denoted by "Calvinism". JFH (talk) 13:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral: this is a tough one. Sometimes Calvinism is regarded as broader than the Reformed tradition (because Calvin influenced not only Calvinism), sometimes as narrower than the Reformed tradition (because Calvin is not the only person who influenced the Reformed tradition). At least I would say, let's be consistent. So if we are to use the term 'Reformed' instead of 'Calvinist' while referring to the tradition, let's do this in every category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:59, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that Category:Calvinism is for the tradition, not things Calvin influenced (that would go in Category:John Calvin). I would like to move Calvinism and a lot of other stuff to Reformed Protestantism, but I think I need to get some sources together to make that argument. As for consistency, RSes are inconsistent here, talking about the history of Calvinism but almost never Calvinist theology. --JFH (talk) 14:44, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So far as I can tell, around here at least, JFH is right that "Calvinism" is used in place of the "Reformed tradition" and other options. I'm not particularly sure I like the alternative name better, maybe myself thinking Category:Theology of the Reformed churches (or "Reformed Churches," which I think I've seen most often, or "Reformed Protestantism", as he proposes, I don't know about the capitalization there) and allowing the Calvinist category to refer specifically to theology specifically relating directly to Calvin, whether within or without the Reformed tradition. I remember when the Calvinism WikiProject was started it intended to deal with "Calvinism" in all its forms, including within the Anglican and other churches, and that struck me as a kind of bad idea at the time, and still does. I definitely support the establishment of top-level categories for the Reformed churches, under whatever name. John Carter (talk) 20:56, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think Category:Theology of the Reformed churches would actually be a little bit narrower, referring to the official theology of churches (i.e. Reformed confessions), while Reformed theology refers to the theology of Reformed theologians. Reformed theology is a common term. --JFH (talk) 23:00, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • What? It seems like common sense that we should use terms which are actually common in reliable sources. Calvinist theology is not. --JFH (talk) 22:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Where sources are divided, go with what a reasonable person would be most likely to use. Most people have a good idea of what "Calvinist" means but probably less so so for "Reformed". This is even more true for people who are non-Calvinists/Reformed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:57, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Religion in the Roman Republic

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The result of the discussion was: merge but to Category:Roman Republic, and without prejudice to re-creating it if multiple members can be found; the potential for growth has not been demonstrated. The person opposing merger has not explained why this additional level is worth keeping while it only contains Category:Religious leaders of the Roman Republic. That sub-cat is already in Category:Religious leaders of Ancient Rome which is in the target suggested below, Category:Ancient Roman religion, so merging to that one is not necessary or appropriate. – Fayenatic London 11:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. There is only one child category in 'Religion in the Roman Republic' which entirely refers to 'Ancient Roman religion'. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

*Request to closer: could you please leave this discussion open while mediation is ongoing? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Religion in the Ancient Roman period

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:09, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge grandchild category into main category because they both refer to all religions in the same period in the same region. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdraw proposal. The proposal was based on the category title and a too quick inspection of its contents. After reviewing the contents more carefully, it appears that the category is broader than the title suggests. It does not refer to the Ancient Romans only, but to all ancient religions on the entire globe. Therefore the suggested merger does not make sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Janggi variants

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Currently, Gwangsanghui redirects to Janggi variants so this category has only one page with actual information, and what's the point of a category with only one article in it? It doesn't categorize anything if it has one article in it. Also it seems to me that this category will not expand beyond Janggi variants (a current stub) for a long time, and when Janggi variants is split this category can simply be recreated. Seonookim (What I've done so far) (I'm busy here) (Talk with me) 06:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2010s rock single stubs

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:2010s rock song stubs and Category:Rock single stubs. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Low populated stub category. Can be upmerged to Category:2010s rock song stubs (which itself was just recently created) and Category:Rock single stubs. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 01:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Island of Newfoundland categories

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn; article is now at Newfoundland (island). Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One IP user oppose speedy. There is an article is simply titled Newfoundland without the island name in brackets by undisambiguation. I was going to speedy rename to match the main article but it was rejected and the categories are going into a full discussion to rename the categories to match the main article Newfoundland. The categories must be renamed in order the main article to be matched and follow the matching article title. Steam5 (talk) 01:31, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

*Support The category names should match the article. If anyone has an issue with the undisambiguated article name, that's a different discussion for a different place. This is the wrong place to be worrying that the term "Newfoundland" is ambiguous - have that debate over at the article, and this category should follow suit either way. While I would have some sympathy for 65.94.171.126's argument if this were Wikimedia Commons, where tens of thousands of files are being categorized daily, this is not Commons and here categorization is relatively stable, generates little work, and any errors are easily corrected. I'm hard-pressed to understand how a "maintenance headache" will occur (are we, for example, suddenly going to have an huge influx of new articles on the Dominion of Newfoundland such that we will suddenly be up to our ears in category management? - no.) Worries that readers and/or editors are too easily confused are never a good reason for disambiguation. And it's also a terrible reason to deviate from the norm of having the category name match the article title. Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC) ::I note that the article was boldly moved to Newfoundland from Newfoundland (island) less than a year ago without any discussion. If anyone is concerned about ambiguity, I would initiate a reconsideration of that undiscussed move over at the article talk page and deal with the issue head on, rather than trying to fight a rearguard action here at the category by trying to keep it inconsistent with the article. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They shouldn't be "overspecified". If there is a problem, the problem itself should be addressed (i.e. an ambiguous article title), and we shouldn't be attempting band-aid fixes (category names) to address non-existent problems (the alleged maintenance headaches). Unclear how "overspecifying" helps anything. Agree that the people category should be based on the province. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
this is common practice - when the base name is ambiguous - esp a case like this where we have an island and a province both commonly called the same thing and accordingly different but overlapping scopes, a more specific category name is often used, whether you dislike it or not it's still standard. We try to avoid the 'but this is primary topic' issues by over specifying ambiguous names even if a so-called primary topic exists.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The common and standard practice, when we have an alleged ambiguity problem, is to disambiguate the article, not to compound a problem by having categories that don't match the related article. Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:59, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OWK is correct, there are many cases where categories carry more specification than their counterpart articles, as categories require maintenance and articles do not, to keep out incorrectly categorized articles. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:13, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, he is not correct. He's pointing to a small handful of cases where editors, unhappy with the consensus over at the article, use lightly-monitored CFD discussions to create competing consensuses. And you keep talking about maintenance. In the context of this article and categories, please explain how this massive amount of maintenance (the "maintenance headache" you've referred to) will occur. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

*Hold this discussion temporarily in abeyance - Finally, a discussion has been initiated at Talk:Newfoundland#Requested move 07 June 2014 to move Newfoundland to Newfoundland (island). We should wait to see what happens there - if the article is moved, this proposal becomes moot (other than perhaps Obi's suggestion above about the people category), and by waiting we avoid simply gathering here in a month to have another discussion about these categories. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:59, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have an objection to holding this dicussion in abeyance, or are you just repeating your views from above? If the article name is changed, this discussion is likely moot and can be closed. If the article name isn't changed, then we can continue with this discussion. In either scenario, it's better than closing this discussion prematurely, which I can assure you is quite likely going to lead to us having this same CFD again, again and again over the next few years (and depending on how the article move discussion goes, this CFD could get re-initiated quite soon if we don't hold it in abeyance). Do you have any objections to holding this CFD in abeyance while we wait a few days to see how the article RM discussion goes? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Empire Distribution artists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 11:09, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As a distributor, Empire does not have artists signed to them, just artists they make deals with in order to distribute their projects, usually on a one album basis. To call them an "Empire Distribution artist" is incorrect. STATic message me! 01:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be posting the label page here soon, if you feel the need to delete the category go ahead, though your use of signing isn't quite clear to me (if an artist releases multiple re-issues on a label in a new country, do they not count as one of the label's artists, for example? so, only artists that release original albums produced by the label count?). The label uses 'signings' frequently in its language to refer to its artists, perhaps you could direct me to some wp:alphabet soup so I'm able to better make the distinction. Earflaps (talk) 16:18, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A key thing would be multiple, but still I would say no. The main factor would be if the artist actually partnered up with the label, or if the label gained the right to release the material through a deal with a publishing company or something. I am happy you are creating the label page, they definitely deserve one. Yet as I said, they do not necessarily sign artists, the partner with them to distribute albums, usually on a one album biases. The category for the albums released by them works good as a cat, yet no so much their "artists". Notice they biggest independent distributors RED Distribution, Fontana Distribution and RBC Records do not have cats for their distributed artists either. STATic message me! 02:12, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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