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Category:Fictional American law enforcement agents

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming the following:
Nominator's rationale: C2C - bringing categories into line with established naming conventions for that category tree. --Onifpaz (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional Special Operations Forces of the United States

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Cerebellum (talk) 02:46, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming the following:
Nominator's rationale: C2C - bringing categories into line with established naming conventions for that category tree. Note that "Green Beret" and "Delta Force" are unofficial nicknames used by the media. --Onifpaz (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. For the Green Berets category, I support Category:Fictional United States Army Special Forces personnel rather than "Green Berets personnel" (which just reads a bit weird). Neutralitytalk 18:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mostly Support/Alt Rename for Green Berets This makes sense. The one exception is for Green Berets where I support Neutrality's suggestion since the parent category is Category:Members of the United States Army Special Forces. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional United States government agents

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The result of the discussion was: rename all except for Category:Fictional United States Marshals, which already matches the parent category. Cerebellum (talk) 14:10, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming the following:
Nominator's rationale: C2C - bringing categories into line with established naming conventions for that category tree. --Onifpaz (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except these are not at all consistent. Why are some "characters" and some "personnel" and some "officials" and some "agents"? Deli nk (talk) 13:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator has standardized the naming.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:25, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I support this new proposal - consistency is good. Deli nk (talk) 14:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with dropping "United States" if the rest of the category tree does.RevelationDirect (talk) 14:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
These should match or come close to matching the real life agency, so use "Central Intelligence Agency" not "CIA". I'm less concerned with consistency in Category:Fictional United States government agents. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:13, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@RevelationDirect: I think I see what you mean. I thought you were implying on 29 Dec that one hierarchy does use "United States", & therefore those nominated here should only omit "United States" if the rest will also get renamed to remove those words. However, I now think you meant to express support for Good Olfactory's proposal as the rest of the tree does not use "United States"... right? – Fayenatic London 20:49, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. Clarified my vote above for the closer. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:32, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Estates in Powys

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Country houses in Powys (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: 1 entry. small category Rathfelder (talk) 23:20, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rachel Platten

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous category per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:16, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Technological problems

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Technological failures, until a better idea comes along; it does at least correspond to both the parent categories. – Fayenatic London 15:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: downmerge as all content of this category is about failures (disruptions, defects, blackouts). Suggesting downmerge instead of upmerge because 'failure' is more clearly defined than 'problem'. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:01, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm willing to hear Sm8900 out, but I'm not seeing the distinctness with current contents.. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:44, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • ok, thanks, but simply look at the category itself. it includes several sub-categories, of which "engineering failures" is only one of several. --Sm8900 (talk) 02:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's how it currently is indeed. The question is whether the distinction is meaningful or not. As said in the nomination, it's all about failures. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disruptions, defects, blackouts, they all seem to be one-off disasters. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The glory of the English language means that they are all subtle variations of timescale and impact. A defect has already happened and is absolute but minor - a bad pixel on your TV. A disruption is ongoing but again not that serious - the trains running 20 minutes late. A blackout is sudden and catastrophic - a whole town losing electricity. So defects and blackouts are both abrupt failures, probably only one is notable, whereas a disruption won't generally be a failure (the trains not running at all).Le Deluge (talk) 00:38, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Krampus

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The result of the discussion was: delete, but ensure clear navigation links between the main article and the other category. – Fayenatic London 14:51, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This WP:EPONYMOUS category is being repeatedly removed from categorisation of the main Krampus article. That would be inappropriate according to our regular practice for eponymous categories. Either the category should exist, and be included, or else abandon the category altogether. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note that it has members of the main article, Krampus, and one sub-category with 9 members: Category:Krampus in popular culture. At least one of these categories seem adequate to pass WP:SMALLCAT.
I would favor this to having two, redundant categories. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:11, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Independent Ireland in World War II

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The result of the discussion was: keep. I have suggested at WT:IE that WP Ireland discuss creating year categories for Independent Ireland. – Fayenatic London 15:50, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Independent Ireland"? As opposed to what, Northern Ireland? Because this is the normal way we indicate that... BDD (talk) 15:18, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Indeed, as opposed to Northern Ireland. In World War 2 there was no such place as the "Republic of Ireland". The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 came into force in 1949. I am open to any renaming that does not contradict history. jnestorius(talk) 16:08, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People associated with Pink Floyd

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:40, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of these people, not to mention that "associated" is a horribly vague word. DonIago (talk) 14:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"People known for their association with Pink Floyd"? It's more clear, though implies they wouldn't be known otherwise... I am very open to other suggestions. DonIago (talk) 14:31, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But his career hasn't been defined by his collaboration with Pink Floyd. Roy Harper (who had a substantial notable career separately) has been. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Once you create this category, it's equally applicable to both Roy Harper and Carlossuarez45. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Separation of investment and commercial banking

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The result of the discussion was: purge and rename. – Fayenatic London 15:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF as well as WP:OR masquerading as a category. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:31, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • If kept, purge. Changed vote after below contribution. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Entrenchments in Malta

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The opinions in favour of "keep" would be more convincing if there was actually more existing content rather than just potential for content. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles. Not obvious that Entrenchments need a separate category. Rathfelder (talk) 10:26, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: @Rathfelder: There are many other entrenchments in Malta which do not yet have a Wikipedia article (Bengħisa Entrenchment, Birżebbuġa Entrenchment, Louvier Entrenchment, Spinola Entrenchment, etc), and this category is intended to include these articles once they are created. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 12:20, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merging Malta has a large number of entrenchments and the only reason there are no articles about them is because we lack volunteers to the wikiproject Malta. There are at least 30 entrenchments of notability. Most of them are a National monument, historic importance, etc. In any case they are more easily (wiki - fast) found under their own category than mix them with the main list of the rest of the world.Continentaleurope (talk) 14:39, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So what? WP is incomplete. Presence or absence of other content is no proof of anything. Malta is also unusual in having been both heavily fortified, yet little worked by agriculture. It's not unusual for having had extensive earthworks of this type, it's unusual for them still surviving. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Welsh pornographers

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There are many other small categories subdividing British people by occupation; perhaps an RfC would be a useful way ahead. – Fayenatic London 21:35, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category - 1 article. Rathfelder (talk) 08:11, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English politicians of South Asian descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:English politicians of South Asian descent to Category:British politicians of South Asian descent
Nominator's rationale: Empty and superfluous Rathfelder (talk) 08:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English people taken hostage

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The result of the discussion was: merge as WP:SMALLCAT; also to Category:English terrorism victims. – Fayenatic London 12:30, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Superfluous. Only 1 article. No reason to distinguish English hostages from British. Rathfelder (talk) 08:05, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English people of Taiwanese descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge without creating a precedent; noting that the single member article Tim Chow currently plays for a Scottish team, and remains in the English hierarchy as he is also categorised in Category:English people of Chinese descent. – Fayenatic London 12:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Superfluous - and meaningless. English is an ethnicity. British is a nationality. Rathfelder (talk) 08:03, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@ I consulted the article on English people.Rathfelder (talk) 22:27, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:English people of Tajik descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Superfluous - empty Rathfelder (talk) 08:01, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English people of Uzbekistani descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (Though it's empty after the close of the discussion immediately below, so there's nothing to actually merge.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Superfluous Rathfelder (talk) 08:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Uzbekistani emigrants to England

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The result of the discussion was: delete; merge contents to Category:Uzbekistani emigrants to the United Kingdom. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:31, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: empty. and if populated it is part of a heirarchy by nationality, not ethnicity Rathfelder (talk) 07:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English religion journalists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Merge contents (single article) to Category:Religion journalists and Category:English journalists. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:English religion journalists to Category:British religion journalists
Nominator's rationale: Part of a heirarchy by nationality, not ethnicity Rathfelder (talk) 07:56, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English savateurs

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The result of the discussion was: delete; merge contents (single article) to Category:English martial artists and Category:Savateurs. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:30, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Part of a heirarchy by nationality, not ethnicity Rathfelder (talk) 07:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English scholars of Pakistan studies

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:28, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: small category - 1 article. No obvious reason to separate English scholars from British. Rathfelder (talk) 00:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only where there is enough content to merit it. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musicians in popular culture

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:27, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This would be more in line with the way all the other categories in Category:Cultural depictions of people by occupation are phrased: Cultural depictions of politicians, Cultural depictions of painters, Cultural depictions of scientists,... User:Kjell Knudde 14:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC).[reply]
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